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Soccerish | Ep 16 | Season Finale — A Year Inside the Game Together

Season 2, Ep. 16

From boat parades to Euro finals, Christina and Lori lived soccer at full speed this year.

In our season finale, they reflect — not with a grand “state of the game,” but a personal one: the moments that surprised them, the stories that stuck, and what they learned from being inside soccer’s biggest stages.

They share:

  • calling the Euros and the NWSL Championship
  • the rise of Bev Yanez — and why it mattered
  • Laura Harvey’s infamous AI moment
  • Lori’s childhood mission to become Tony Meola
  • Christina’s whirlwind of boat parades, contracts, and financials
  • why the MLS Cup not having a neutral site caught them off guard
  • what fans quietly tell them about how (and why) they listen
  • how they navigated the blur of 2024
  • where they hope Soccerish goes next
  • and yes, Lori reacts to Christina’s “Chilly Willy” triathlon

Plus: a first look at our December/January special series — Goalkeepers - The Last Defender, Women Who Lead, Soccerish One-ish, and Lori Goes to Ref School.


Chapters (mm:ss)

00:00 Ish-ing around & Thanksgiving reset

01:30 World Cup draw + MLS Cup — Miami–Vancouver, Messi/Alba/Busquets, neutral-site debate

05:00 Personal reflections — Bev Yanez, Laura Harvey & AI, Tony Meola childhood, Rochester Rhinos confusion

08:30 Season recap & the future of Soccerish storytelling

11:00 Grassroots voices — Jenny Nguyen’s Sports Bra, Club Eleven on the road

13:00 Highlights — Euros, NWSL Championship, on-air chemistry

16:00 Life inside the game — boat parade, contracts, stress, boundaries, triathlon

23:30 A shifting year — calendars, parity, expansion across U.S. soccer

27:30 Listener habits & the power of untold stories

32:00 Looking ahead — 2026 plans, World 7, and our specials preview

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    51:42||Season 2, Ep. 10
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    43:26||Season 2, Ep. 9
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    47:28||Season 2, Ep. 8
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  • 7. Soccerish | Ep 7 |How Kansas City Current Won the NWSL Shield — with Freya Coombe

    48:23||Season 2, Ep. 7
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