The Ralph Moore Podcast


#3 of 3 Zac Nazarian: HC Hermosa Beach Multiplying Worldwide

Season 2, Ep. 50262

This is the third of three interviews between Ralph Moore who planted and Zac Nazarian who succeeded him as pastor of Hope Chapel in Hermosa Beach, California.

During the 37 years since the handoff the church has continued multiplying churches from California to India to Africa to Israel. Listen to these two men as they discuss future possibilities. Hint: both men have seperately come to believe in the immense possibilities offered by the Microchurch platform.

If you want to understand Ralph Moore and the Hope Chapel movement you should listen to these three interviews. You'll come away with the nuts and bolts of a simple disciplemaking continuum that works wherever and whoever works it.

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John Harris-What Does He Know That You Don't? (1 of 2)

Season 3, Ep. 50309
What does John Harris know that you don’t?He’s grown a church from 2 people to 400 during Covid and on Facebook. But that’s not the most crucial part of this interview. Post-Church Christfollowers and “multimodal” church are.John left a career as a military chaplain to join the staff in a large California church. After more than a decade, he began noticing that most church dropouts come from among the 20 percent of super-committed Christ-followers. The doers and givers are leaving churches in significant numbers.So, in 2019 he departed his job as an executive pastor to launch a coaching ministry designed to help pastors keep their most influential members. Then Covid struck!Forced to move his business online, he never missed a beat. The coaching platform has grown in size and productivity but still left something to be explored. Seeking to understand better why key people leave the church, he decided to start an “unchurch” to reach them. He doesn’t call it that. I do. It presents as an “online Christian community.” Intent on avoiding the word, church, he began by reaching people who feel they just escaped one.Then there is the evangelism element. As people get excited about personal growth around the father-love of God, they talk about it. Evangelism happens without prodding. The story goes on. So you need to listen to it if you want to understand “multimodal church” or why I found myself coaching a church growth coach.You can learn about the coaching business at to check on the unchurch, you’ll need to take notes as he explains the path to observe what he’s doing in part 2 of this fascinating interview.