The Ralph Moore Podcast


Interview: Dustin Anderson - Journey The Church, Camarillo CA (Part 1 of 2)

Season 3, Ep. 50302

Dustin Anderson is on deck to plant a church - but he's been there a while.

Dustin leads community outreach and disciplemaking groups in a thriving Southern California church while anticipating an eventual plant. For some, that feels like living in God's waiting room. His experience may parallel your own.

This is also the story of an exciting young church broadening its footprint during the pandemic. Coming out of the mess they have a larger cadre of seasoned leaders than when it all started. The leadership team is seeking direction for whatever next steps lay ahead.

Dustin is a little unusual in that he's been mentored for several years by Randy Wier, one of our first members in Hope Chapel back in the early 1970s. Randy helped launch two highly successful churches before moving to Ventura, CA to plant a church bivocationally. A successful building contractor, he led that congregation for several decades before coaching younger leaders.

This interview is a mix of new hopes and mature wisdom.

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