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Season One Wrap-up
Season 1, Ep. 11
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This week, we're looking back on season one of NDA. Sharing all the opinions and stories from our listeners on each episode, and chatting about what season two has in store.
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Hosted & created by Katie Cadwell
Edited by James from Be Heard
Original music 'Theme From NDA' by Jamie Ellul & Toby McLaren
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3. Designer Dads
56:01||Season 3, Ep. 3With the rise in conversations around ‘working mums’, we wondered, why don’t we call fathers ‘working dads’?As we strive for equal parenting, Dads are picking up more of the mental, emotional and physical load of raising children. Juggling being hands-on both at home and in the studio. All with less parental leave, less support and less opportunity to share how they’re coping.Our two guests are fathers of children, teenagers and creative teams, Ali Ozden (Universal Favourite) & Jamie Ellul (Supple Studio)We asked them how becoming Designer Dads has impacted their careers, creativity and mental health (and if they want their children to follow in their footsteps)–Stats: https://pregnantthenscrewed.com/70-of-dads-who-didnt-take-their-full-paternity-leave-entitlement-had-to-cut-it-short-due-to-cost/https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/familiesandthelabourmarketengland/2019https://pregnantthenscrewed.com/why-we-are-campaigning-for-6-weeks-paid-paternity-leave/Dadwell & Co: https://dadwell.co/Fathercraft: https://fathercraft.com/fathers-ed/Mind: https://www.mind.org.uk/Calm: https://www.thecalmzone.net/Andys Man Club: https://andysmanclub.co.uk/groups/Tommys: https://www.tommys.org/pregnancy-information/dads-and-partners/looking-after-your-mental-health-after-baby-bornStories: Samuel / Lee Davies / Jack Trotman / Sam / Adam Ding–The NDA Podcast is created by Lucky Dip. Hosted by Katie Cadwell & produced by Hatty Wytton.Edited by James from Be Heard. Original music 'The Theme from NDA' by Jamie Ellul & Toby McLaren.2. Cultural Mis-fit
43:57||Season 3, Ep. 2It is a fact that multicultural teams outperform homogeneous ones.But roughly 9% of the design industry is made up of people in minority groups, whereas the wider workforce is 17%. And that’s not factoring in how many of those are in junior positions.So why are we taking so long to catch up?Our guests in this episode think there’s too much talk, and not enough action. So join us, Andy Khatouli & Priyjah Paramasivam as we ask them –How they’re perceived in studios and whether they feel the need to mask their authentic selves?What it’s like being the only voice in the room calling things out, or being pushed into the role of ’spokesperson’ for diversity?And ultimately, what is our industry missing out on by not welcoming different cultures with open arms.–There are some brilliant orgs really doing the work to rebalance our industry. Make sure you check them out.Stats: https://www.cipd.org/uk/about/news/managing-multicultural-teams/Andy’s article: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/other-0-andrew-khatouli-7sqkc/Ahmed Abokor’s article: https://www.itsnicethat.com/news/ahmed-abokor-on-being-a-black-creative-in-a-homogenous-industry-opinion-240620Samar Maakaroun intervew: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/typography-expression-language-identity-dad-jury-president-samar-grnde/ POCC: https://www.instagram.com/wearepocc/?hl=enOtherbox: https://otherbox.co/Stories: Kay / Agata Gray / Sibin –The NDA Podcast is created by Lucky Dip. Hosted by Katie Cadwell & produced by Hatty Wytton.Edited by James from Be Heard. Original music 'The Theme from NDA' by Jamie Ellul & Toby McLaren.1. Creativity & Cashflow
01:04:35||Season 1, Ep. 180% of our listeners are only just managing financially. The creative industry has taken a pummelling over the past few years. From an unstable economy, unpredictable politics, a rise in the cost of living and staffing costs… It’s harder than ever to make money as a creative business.But how are the ‘big’ studios really doing? From their LinkedIn feeds, all seems well – but we wanted to ask them about the reality of their accounts.In this episode, Cashflow & Creativity, we speak to studio founders Caterina Bianchini (Studio NARI) & Max Ottignon (Ragged Edge) about how they’re managing in such an unstable climate. Are the budgets shrinking? How do they pay their staff a fair wage? And, perhaps most importantly, are they making a profit?Don’t miss this unprecedented peek into their P&Ls.–Stats: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1454650/number-advertising-agencies-worldwide/https://www.creativementornetwork.org/news/cost-of-living-surveyhttps://www.itsnicethat.com/features/ones-to-watch-new-views-a-gen-z-outlook-on-the-creative-industry-050625Scott Galloway podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moIfa0IqlO0Nils Leonard talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzER-_odM30Stories: Lucie Kim / Michu–The NDA Podcast is created by Lucky Dip. Hosted by Katie Cadwell & produced by Hatty Wytton.Edited by James from Be Heard. Original music 'The Theme from NDA' by Jamie Ellul & Toby McLaren.Season Three Trailer
01:26||Season 3, Ep. 0We're back with Season Three.Debating and debunking all the biggest secrets in the creative industry. Joined by leaders from all the best design and advertising agencies, we'll be talking about the issues usually kept under NDA – and hearing from our listeners with anonymous stories, to really hear what's going on in our studios.Tune in every Wednesday.–The NDA Podcast is created by Lucky Dip. Hosted by Katie Cadwell & produced by Hatty Wytton.Edited by James from Be Heard. Original music 'The Theme from NDA' by Jamie Ellul & Toby McLaren.11. Season Two Wrap-up
45:20||Season 2, Ep. 11Join your host & producer, Katie Cadwell & Hatty Wytton, as they reflect on Season 2. With a whole host of new listener stories and opinions, we look back on all the great conversations from the past 10 episodes – and talk about what’s next.Huge thanks to all our guests and contributors.—————Comments from: Pearse O’Halloran / @pearseohalloranMirella Arapian / @mek.studioMike Andrews / @mandrews.studioVictoria Mackintosh Algy Batten / @algybattenSonia Uznadze /@sonia.uzEmile Chen / @spottedbyemMark Adams / @markadamspictures Sophie Bowyer / @sophierbowyer_creative Natassia Swulinska / @swulinstaIsaac / @isaacnnz Kim Majkut / @kimmajkut Graham Wood / @grahamwood7 Hannah Gander / @gander.hannah Design Business Council / @designbusinesscouncilJamie Samman / @jamiesammanMaisie Benson / @_maisiebensonSarah Grech / @grechsarLucy Hobbs / @lucykhobbsHB Thompson David Nichols Ben Mottershead / @_studiobnd_ Ash Schofield / ash_schoRachel Lewis / rachel.lewis.designRoy Murphy / @g3nr8Laura Shepherd / @ls528Adnaan Narot / @loveandmoney.agency Alister Shapley / @alistershapleyprint Eve Warren / eveawarrenJames Horwitz / @twotimeselliottTim Perry / @timperryconsultingMentions: https://cleancreatives.org/ / @clean_creativeshttps://withjack.co.uk/ / @_withjack https://www.nevernotcreative.org/never-not-finishing-school / @nvrnotcreative https://www.itsnicethat.com/authors/katie-cadwell / @itsnicethatRefs: Clean Creatives on the Edelman Trust Barometer: https://cleancreatives.org/news/edelman-trust-barometer-fact-checkRichard Prince lawsuit - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/26/arts/design/richard-prince-copyright-lawsuit.htmlAndy Warhol lawsuit - https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/warhol-foundation-settles-lawsuit-lynn-goldsmith-prince-series-1234700191/Anthropic AI lawsuit - https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/anthropic-asks-court-to-prune-universal-lawsuit-to-focus-court-battle-on-whether-it-is-fair-use-to-train-ai-using-copyrighted-works/Arts and Crafts movement - https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/arts-and-crafts-an-introduction10. The problem with pitching
01:08:35||Season 2, Ep. 1083% of NDA followers have pitched for a project.Widely debated and often condemned, pitching for creative work is still rife. In an economic climate that gives clients more power than ever, we’re seeing a steady return to speculative work to win projects. We want to get to the bottom of it, talking to Leo Porto & Felipe Rocha (Porto Rocha), who have publicly declared their anti-pitching stance, and Toby Wilkinson (AUFI), who is privy to more studio pitch decks than most, working closely with brands to help them find the right agency partner.We also invite the clients in — with anonymous stories from their point of view, we try to unpack who really benefits from the ambiguity of the ‘pitching’ process.Asking questions like… Why do clients need pitches to choose partners? Do creative teams enjoy working on them? Is the condensed process devaluing creativity? Does it create inequity in the industry? How can we change that?And, let's be honest, does everyone have a project they would throw their morals away for?Credits —Small print: British Design Association resources - https://www.dba.org.uk/members-area/resources/?keyword=free+pitchAUFI guides - https://aufi.com/insights/good-agency-relationshipPaul Woods, How to do great work without being an arsehole - https://www.amazon.com/Great-Work-Without-Being-Asshole/dp/1786273918Mentions: No free pitches - https://nofreepitches.com/Stories: Rita Juárez / Jenny PowellSponsored by Lucky Dipluckydip.studioGet in touch hello@thendapodcast.com9. (AI) Artificial ideas?
01:00:17||Season 2, Ep. 9Who has the best ideas – humans or robots?The topic on everyone’s feeds. AI is snowballing faster than anyone can keep up with, with billions of dollars being invested, new models appearing everyday, and a plethora of opinions to boot.But, how does this relate to the creative industry? Some are embracing it, others fear it, and some feel underwhelmed by it. In today’s episode, we want to understand its role in our process.Joined by our guests Pip Bingemann (Co-founder of springboards.ai) & Jess Macintyre (Co-founder of Mac+Moore) we discuss whether it’s homogenising creativity. How it impacts those at the start of their career. Whether it adds or subtracts value from creatives. Who we’re trusting to build the models – and to what extent it’s perpetuating the worst parts of society.A great summary conversation about AI and creativity – a good place to start if you’re unsure how it can benefit your practice. But remember, use responsibly.Credits —Small print:Midjourney - https://discord.com/invite/midjourneyRunway - https://runwayml.com/Not Content - https://www.notcontent.ai/Monika - https://m-o-n-i-k-a.com/Paige - https://air.inc/paigeIt’s Nice That, Shades of Intelligence https://www.itsnicethat.com/shades-of-intelligenceMarcus Byrne, 101 prompt secretshttps://marcusbyrne.gumroad.com/l/101promptsecretsbookMentions:Zoe Scaman, Strategy in the era of AIhttps://zoescaman.substack.com/p/strategy-in-the-era-of-aiOrlaith Wood, Why AI is the kick up the arse copywriters need https://www.creativereview.co.uk/ai-copywriting-reed-words/Stories: Jack Wimmer (Monika) / Engy Elboreini (@engythedesigner) Sponsored by Lucky Dipluckydip.studioGet in touch hello@thendapodcast.com8. Is the agency model broken?
57:16||Season 2, Ep. 8Is the agency model as we know it dying out? Big office spaces, permanent teams, mandatory in-person working, rigid processes and hierarchies — all symbols of the traditional creative studios that have been pillars of the industry for decades.But the pandemic accelerated the rise of the small agency. Those working in a nimble way, remote from anywhere in the world, with bespoke freelance teams built for each project.So, which one is better? Together with Ayo Fagbemi (Explorers Club) & Andy Cooke (Creative Director) we discuss how the different models impact creativity, hiring talent and building a culture — and what clients are looking for; if they want to be seen with the latest ‘underdog agency’ or have the kudos of working with one of the legends.It’s a classic David vs. Goliath story. We try to guess who will come out on top. And ask if the established agencies don’t adapt, are they destined for extinction?Credits —Small print:Dan Salkey (Small World), Hub and spoke creative agencieshttps://www.contagious.com/news-and-views/hub-and-spoke-creative-agencies-why-this-time-its-differentStephanie McCarty, Here’s my beef with ad agencieshttps://www.adweek.com/agencies/cmo-ad-agency-model-broken/Comprehensive flexibilityhttps://hbr.org/2023/08/the-radical-promise-of-truly-flexible-workMentions: Collins New York CoffeehouseStories: Naomi Dacosta (NDC Creative) / Dylan Young (Koto)Sponsored by Lucky Dipluckydip.studioGet in touch hello@thendapodcast.com7. In our prime, or past it
01:10:37||Season 2, Ep. 7In today’s episode, we’re tackling one of the industry taboos – ageing.Joined by two creatives proudly in ‘mid-life’, Michael Johnson (Johnson Banks) & Jane Evans (Visible Inc.) we’re asking all the questions no one else dares.Hearing the statistics on age diversity in the industry, it’s obvious there are empty seats where older creatives should be. To figure out why that is, we discuss how ageing is perceived. And how these outdated views of ageing are impacting our agency diversity.We talk about clients, and whether they care about the age of their partners. Do they want energised young scrappy upstarts, or mature teams with a proven track record? We hypothesise why there’s a big drop off, as our guests reflect on where their peers are now. Asking them when they were doing their best work, and if their creativity is as fierce now as it was in their 20s. And what next? Talking about how to ‘be relevant’ in an ever-changing landscape, and what retirement looks like for this generation.Ultimately, our guests believe that mid-life creatives are a huge untapped resource, ready to help us access the largest consumer group. So if that’s true, where are they? And why isn’t anyone harnessing their power?Credits —Small print: Invisible to Invaluable: Unleashing the Power of Mid-Life Women, Jane EvansVisible Start - https://visiblestart.com/Olivia Stubbings ‘The Late Radicals’ for the IPA Excellence Diploma in Brands -https://ipa.co.uk/knowledge/ipa-blog/the-late-radicalsMentions: Vera Wang / JR Tolkein / Barabara Beskind / Anne RothensteinStories: Brett Allan / Belinda HubbalSponsored by Lucky Dipluckydip.studioGet in touch hello@thendapodcast.com