That's History, Babe!

We’re not saying they’re bigger than Jesus, but we’re not not saying that either. In our first ever two-part series, Abe and Jared examine the lives of a mother-daughter duo whose names are synonymous with “gay icon”: showbiz legends Judy Garland and Liza Minnelli. In part one, Jared pulls us on a pepped up prance down the Yellow Brick Road to explore Judy’s impact on film and music as well as her personal struggles and comebacks, all with the goal of finally understanding why the queers (especially him) love her so much. Tangents include our first group of haters, The Greatest Showman being the worst movie ever, and Abe getting anxious at the Mermaid Parade. SOURCESJudy Garland on The Dick Cavett Show | The Dick Cavett ShowJudy Garland Beyond The Rainbow | 1997 A&E Biography Special Premiere FULL with Original Commercials Judy Garland COMPLETE 1967 Interview Judy Garland - It's All For You - The Tonight Show - Johnny Carson Slayyyter & Judy Garland - CRANK GOES THE TROLLEY The Chaos Behind The Wizard of Oz (and why it turned out ok anyway) Judy Garland at Carnegie Hall: The Greatest Night in Entertainment History Decoder Ring podcast, "Friend of Dorothy: Why do gay people love Judy Garland so much?", Slate magazine, February 10, 2020 How Does a Pop Girl Earn "Gay Icon" Status? By Derek Deng, Byrdie, May 7, 2026 What Does It Take to Be a Gay Icon Today? by Steven Frank, September 25, 2007 Judy Garland: By Myself, American Masters PBS, 2004.

Did a corrupted video file ruin an hour of footage from this episode? Yes. Would we ever let that stop us? No. In the 80s and 90s, a pack of queer party animals burst into NYC’s backrooms, bringing a haze of gritty glamour, fashion, drugs, and dance wherever they went. They were the Club Kids; RuPaul, Richie Rich, Amanda LePore, Waltpaper, just to name a few. Join us as we dive into the club kids’ scene, exploring who they were, why they were so sensational, what impacts they had on queer culture, and how their era came to a crushing, violent end. Tangents include making a baby gay cry, Mitchell Musso, pansexual king Wayne Brady, and being lifelong fans of the NBA champion New York Knicks. SOURCESParty Monster: The ShockumentaryMichael Alig & NYC Club Kids on Geraldo 1994 "Beyond the Glitz & Glamour" Michael Alig NYC Club Kids on Geraldo 1992 New York Club Kids on Phil Donahue talkshow 1993 (complete TV show) Club Kids fashion show Joan Rivers RuPaul Welcome Back Party RuPaul Explains The Difficulties of Go-Go Dancing in 1988 The 5 Ninth Avenue Project“Walt Cassidy Walks Us Through the Wild Glamorama of New York City’s Club Kids”, Interview magazine, Christopher Bollen, September 3, 2019Vivacious interview for Standard Hotels, January 25, 2019“Michael Musto on the Prevailing Influence of Club Kid Fashion”, The Fader, Marissa G. Muller, May 2, 2014"After Prison, No After-Hours", New York Times, Kevin Gray, May 14, 2014Michael Alig interview in Interview magazine, Christopher Bollen, April 19, 2010"Club Kids: An Aesthetic Emphasised by Outrageousness, Fabulousness, and Sex", February 15, 2022 "Club USA - Dazzling Photos From 1990s Glitziest NYC Club", Patch “What Michael Alig’s Club Kids Are Doing Now” by William Van Meter, New York magazine, May 20, 2014

POV: you’re at the sickest rave of your life. Candles flickering. Incense burning. Gregorians chanting. The place: Vatican City. The year: 1492. The man behind it all: Pope Alexander VI aka Rodrigo Borgia. This week, we return to a place of pope as we tell the story of the most ruthless family in papal history. Hear about the depravity and delusion of the entire Borgia clan in an episode rife with sex and greed, two of Jared’s favorite things. And please PLEASE don’t ask why Abe is wearing sunglasses inside. It’s a private matter. Tangents include Kermit the Frog’s nephew Robin, the show Vikings, Pope Leo blind item, and “Lose Yourself” by Eminem.SOURCES: The Bad Popes by E.R. Chamberlin The Prince by Niccolo MachiavelliHillgarth, J. N. (1996). The Image of Alexander VI and Cesare Borgia in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries. Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes, 59, 119–129. https://doi.org/10.2307/751400 “The Borgias” In Our Time podcast, BBC Radio 4 https://open.spotify.com/episode/10PVoxVIv1iTSt56TNSqpC?si=TI7DR1a-TNOaoNPMWJ6QSANajemy, J. M. (2013). Machiavelli and Cesare Borgia: A Reconsideration of Chapter 7 of “The Prince.” The Review of Politics, 75(4), 539–556. http://www.jstor.org/stable/43670906 Lucrezia Borgia: Poison, Power, and Papal Scandal | Full Documentary | BiographyPope Alexander VI: The Infamous "Borgia Pope"

“Fake it 'til you make it”, right? Well Bernie Madoff faked it so hard he was sentenced to 150 years in prison! Come with us on a journey through the worst financial crime in US history (that we know of), the Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme, where one man with a crippling fear of failure scammed thousands of people out of a sickening amount of money (we’re talking tens of billions, girl.) Tangents include but are not limited to the concept of renting a home, crying over dog poop, Sam Levinson and his dad, and whether Abe will marry Claudia or Jared for a different passport.SOURCESA Case Study of a Con Man by Diana Henriques (2018) Bernie Madoff and the largest known Ponzi scheme in history | 60 Minutes The Madoff Affair (full documentary) | FRONTLINE PBS “Latest Batch Of Payouts To 25,000 Victims Of Madoff Ponzi Scheme Total Almost $160 Million” by James Farrell, Forbes 2023The Wizard of Lies (2017) dir. Barry Levinson

Ever wonder why your Republican uncle suddenly cares so much about monuments?In this episode, Jared, Abe, & special guest Madison Albertson (scholar, lesbian, and friend of the pod) explore the story of "the Lost Cause", a nationalist myth originating in the post civil-war South that paints the Confederate movement as moral, just, and TOTALLY NOT about slavery. Follow along as we dive into the myth's origins, its influence of American racial politics, and its lasting legacy in teenage vampire films across the decades. Tangents include the gayness of the Sherlock Holmes movie, the inner workings of lesbian intercourse, William Howard Taft, and the song "Memory" from Cats.SOURCES:Mythhistory and Other Essays by William H McNeillRace and Reunion: The Civil War in American Memory by David W BlightConfederates in The Attic by Tony HorwitzDixie’s Daughters: The United Daughters of The Confederacy and the Preservation of Confederate Culture by Karen L. CoxWhite Rage By Karen L CoxThe Birth of a Nation (1915) Dir. D.W. GriffithNot Even Past: The Stories We Keep Telling about the Civil War by Cody Marrs“Curse of a Nation” | History Colorado "Unnameable Objects, Unspeakable Crimes" by James Baldwin, 1965 https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/civil-war-casualtieshttps://virginiahistory.org/learn/how-did-civilians-sufferhttps://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/reconstruction-rebuilding-south-after-war/https://hqudc.org/about/diversity-in-defense-of-the-south/https://fairfieldfoundation.org/witness-to-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-monument-avenues-confederate-statues/https://youtu.be/dOkFXPblLpU?si=6N4UcqVkZpgAhodw

It’s not enough to be a deadbeat dad if you want to be an artist. You also have to be obsessed with the sea. This week, we take center stage and explore the life of storied American playwright Eugene O’Neill. Digging into his methods, inspirations, artistry, horrible family life, and dismal performance as a husband and father, we discover the visionary voice of this brooding genius, and learn that sometimes it pays to be sad! Tangents include but are not limited to mpreg, the illustrious city of Toronto, Charlie Chaplin being gross, and Flight starring Denzel Washington.SOURCES:Eugene O'Neill - A Glory of Ghosts - Part IEugene O'Neill - A Glory of Ghosts - Part IIThe Hunted and the Haunted: Reflections on Eugene O'Neill with Dr. Gary VenaThe Gelbs on O'Neill - Charlie RoseTony Kushner on Eugene O'Neill - Library of AmericaChristopher Plummer as James Tyrone - Long Day's Journey into NightEugene O’Neill: A Documentary Film by Ric Burns, American Experience PBSO’Neill: Life With Monte Cristo by Barabra & Arthur Gelb

Sometimes when there’s a big problem no one wants to deal with, you gotta take matters into your own hands. Case in point: Carrie A. Nation; a devout woman, angry about alcohol, who started smashing up bars with a hatchet! In this episode, Abe and Jared dive deep into the life of Carrie Nation, aka Hatchet Granny, the fierce Temperance crusader and suffragist who’d had just about enough of this “alcohol” foolishness. Join us as we tell the story of this weapon-wielding diva, a tale that will make you ask “How pissed off do you have to be to set a barrel of whiskey on fire in the street?” Tangents include but are not limited to Beauregard Mercer IV esq., Lee Strasberg the first Methodist, and the feeling of the wind blowing through your bob.Sources:Prohibition: America on the Rocks (Lucasfilm, made by JAK Documentary, 2007)The Use and Need of the Life of Carrie A Nation by Carrie A Nation (1909)Carry A. Nation: The Famous and Original Bar Room Smasher.” Kansas State Historical Society. http://www.kshs.org/exhibits/carry/carry1.htmhttps://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/carrie-amelia-moore-nation-2514/“Hatchet Nation” by Mark Lawrence Schrad for Slate (2021)Vessel of Wrath: The Life and Times of Carry Nation by Robert Lewis Taylor (1966)https://www.wctu.org/historyShe’s not a Christian! She’s tampering in dark-sided stuff!

Some people say dogs are man’s best friend, but we say there are dogs worthy of winning Best Actor at the Academy Awards. In this week’s episode, Jared and Abe grab their flea combs and diva into the hairy history of animal celebrities. From memes to movies and from the 1920s to the 2020s, we explore famous animals and what they tell us about ourselves. Tangents include but are not limited to The International Canine Semen Bank, projecting our fear of rejection onto baby zoo animals, and the ethics of giving your pet chimp wine and Xanax.SOURCESLife & Times Transcript of an interview with Alan Young, October 2007 Info on Air Bud and the bizarre stuff with his owner Beethoven and the St Bernard BeethovenKoko the Gorilla Crystal the Monkey in NY Mag What happened with Travis the Chimpanzee More Travis Crystal PopSugar interview“RIN TIN TIN” in Silent Stars (2000) by Jeanine Basinger“What’s new pussycat? A genealogy of animal celebrity.” by John Blewitt (2013)The saga of Lassie by Vernon Scott - Saturday Evening Post,10/3/1964Animal Celebrities by David C Giles (2013)