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NBF 2026 - Regenerative Living and the Human Edge - On food, fashion and the shift towards a regenerative future
What happens when industries as fundamental as food and fashion begin to rethink their role in the world? In this episode of Matters of Consequence, recorded live at the Nordic Business Forum 2026, Michael speaks with Veera Virtanen, Ecosystem Lead at Valio, and Sienna Kruk, CEO of Emmy Clothing, about the human edge of regenerative living and how collaboration, trust, and convenience are reshaping systems for a sustainable future. This is the second episode in a three-part mini-series from NBF.
Veera has spent years fostering collaboration across the food industry through Valio’s Food 2.0 ecosystem, bringing together over 200 organizations to tackle systemic challenges. She reflects on the importance of trust, shared learning, and data-driven decision-making in creating a food system that balances sustainability, nutrition, and profitability. But as she notes, the challenge isn’t just technological, it’s deeply human.
Sienna, on the other hand, is making sustainability in fashion effortless. Through Emmy Clothing’s resale platform, she’s removing the friction from second-hand shopping, proving that convenience and circularity can go hand in hand. She shares her insights on how infrastructure, collaboration, and behavior change are key to scaling regenerative practices in an industry often criticized for its environmental impact.
In their conversations with Michael, Veera and Sienna explore what it means to design systems that don’t just sustain, but regenerate. Veera discusses the power of collaboration across industries in the food sector, while Sienna highlights the role of incentives and convenience in driving change in fashion. Together, their insights reveal why the most effective solutions are often the ones that make sustainability the easiest choice.
Why listen?
- Discover how food and fashion are leading the shift toward regenerative systems through collaboration and innovation.
- Explore the role of trust, shared learning, and data in transforming the food industry.
- Understand how convenience and infrastructure can make sustainability the default choice in fashion.
- Learn why systemic change requires more than technology, it demands a human-centered approach.
- Gain insights into how cross-industry collaboration can accelerate the transition to a regenerative future.
Whether you’re a professional in sustainability, a business leader, or simply someone interested in how industries can evolve for the better, this episode offers a thoughtful look at the intersection of systemic change and the human edge. Veera and Sienna’s stories remind us that the future of sustainability isn’t just about doing less harm, it’s about creating systems that actively regenerate our world.
Keywords: regenerative living, food systems, fashion industry, sustainability, circularity, collaboration, trust, convenience, systemic change, Valio, Emmy Clothing, Veera Virtanen, Sienna Kruk, human edge, Nordic Business Forum, ecosystem, resale, infrastructure.
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14. On the Frontlines of Democracy - On journalism, power and the White House beat
28:52||Season 3, Ep. 14What does it mean to cover the White House in an era of deep political division, distrust in institutions and relentless public scrutiny? In this episode of Matters of Consequence, Will Weissert, a seasoned White House reporter for the Associated Press, shares what it is like to stand at the intersection of power, journalism and democracy. With over two decades of experience from Latin America to Texas politics to the White House press corps, Will offers a rare, behind the scenes look at the pressures, ethical dilemmas and emotional toll of reporting on the most powerful office in the world.Will reflects on the unique challenges of covering the White House today, where every question, story or headline can spark controversy. He discusses the balance between holding power to account and navigating a polarized media landscape, as well as the personal cost of being a journalist in the public eye. From receiving hostile emails to facing skepticism at rallies, Will’s story is one of resilience, integrity and the enduring importance of a free press.Why listen?Gain insight into the realities of White House reporting in a divided political climate.Explore the ethical dilemmas journalists face when covering power and the pressures of access, objectivity and public perception.Understand how distrust in media shapes the work of reporters and the challenges of rebuilding public trust.Learn about the emotional and professional toll of political journalism, from hostile feedback to the weight of responsibility.Discover why journalism remains vital to democracy, even as it faces unprecedented challenges.Whether you are a journalist, a political observer or simply curious about the inner workings of power and the media, Will’s perspective offers a thoughtful and deeply human look at the role of journalism in defending democracy.Keywords: White House reporting, political journalism, media and democracy, press freedom, journalism ethics, political polarization, distrust in media, Associated Press, Will Weissert, White House press corps, political reporting, journalism challenges, media trust, power and accountability, political division, journalism under pressure, Matters of Consequence
13. NBF 2026 - Systems Change and the Human Edge - On systemic change, healthcare, child protection and education
35:40||Season 3, Ep. 13What does it mean to build systems that truly serve the people within them? In this episode of Matters of Consequence, recorded live at the Nordic Business Forum 2026, Michael explores this question with three leaders driving change in their fields. This is the third and final episode in a three-part mini-series from NBF.Heidi Liikkanen of Synlab Suomi reflects on how healthcare systems can balance innovation with responsibility, ensuring technology serves people rather than the other way around. Jenni Blomberg of SOS Children’s Village Finland shares how child protection must prioritize relationships and prevention, because systems only work when they’re built around the children they serve. Heidi Friedrichs of the University of St. Gallen discusses how education can foster adaptability, curiosity, and human connection in a rapidly changing world. Together, they reveal the tensions, opportunities, and human stories behind systemic change in healthcare, child protection, and education.Why listen?Explore how innovation in healthcare can coexist with human-centered values and responsibility.Understand why child protection must focus on relationships, prevention, and listening to children’s voices.Discover how education can adapt to foster curiosity, diversity, and resilience in leaders and learners.Reflect on the role of human connection in systems that often prioritize efficiency over people.Gain insights into how systemic change starts with the people who drive it, navigate it, and live within it.Whether you’re a leader, educator, healthcare professional, or simply interested in how systems can better serve people, this conversation offers a thoughtful and deeply human perspective on the challenges and opportunities of systemic change.Keywords: systemic change, human edge, healthcare innovation, child protection, education, leadership, adaptability, human-centered systems, Nordic Business Forum, Heidi Liikkanen, Jenni Blomberg, Heidi Friedrichs, Matters of Consequence.
11. NBF 2026 - Alive: A Story of Survival, Love, and Trust
28:09||Season 3, Ep. 11What does it take to survive the impossible? In this episode of Matters of Consequence, recorded live at Nordic Business Forum 2026, Michael sits down with Nando Parrado, whose story of resilience in the face of unimaginable hardship redefines the boundaries of human endurance. This is the first episode in a special series from NBF, exploring the human edge in action.In 1972, Nando was one of the survivors of the Uruguayan rugby team whose plane crashed in the Andes, leaving them stranded at 11,000 feet in freezing temperatures with no resources. Over 72 days, Nando and his teammates faced starvation, extreme cold and the emotional weight of unimaginable loss. His decision to embark on a treacherous climb out of the mountains without proper gear or experience was driven by trust in his teammates, love for those he lost and the judgment to act when hope seemed impossible. His story is a testament to how these human qualities can forge unbeatable teams and sustain us through the most extreme circumstances.Today, Nando is a television producer, entrepreneur and a voice on the power of the human edge, the resilience, connection and compassion that allow us to endure and even thrive in the face of adversity. In this conversation, he shares the raw, unresolved tensions of his journey from the Andes to the boardroom and reflects on how these lessons apply to leadership, teamwork and life itself.Why listen?Explore how trust and love became the foundation of survival in the Andes disasterUnderstand the role of judgment and compassion in making critical decisions under extreme pressureReflect on how the human edge, resilience, connection and action transcend survival and apply to modern challengesGain insights into how teams and systems can cultivate the human qualities that drive success, even in the most dire circumstancesWhether you are a leader, part of a team or simply someone navigating uncertainty, Nando’s story offers a deeply human perspective on what it means to confront the impossible and emerge stronger.Keywords: Andes disaster, survival, resilience, trust, love, judgment, compassion, human edge, leadership, teamwork, Nordic Business Forum, Nando Parrado, Matters of Consequence.
10. Democracy Is a Multi-Player Game - On the rules, the players, and how to restore accountability
34:18||Season 3, Ep. 10What happens when the systems designed to uphold democracy start to fail the people they’re meant to serve? In this episode of Matters of Consequence, Ramon Perez, former military officer, AI consultant, and democracy reformer, shares his journey from defending democracy abroad to confronting its erosion at home. After witnessing the shocks of January 6th and the unrest in Portland, Ramon realized that the ideals he fought for were under threat in the very places they were supposed to thrive. His work now focuses on exposing the systemic flaws that leave voters feeling powerless, gerrymandering, campaign finance, and legislative disconnection.Ramon reflects on the moral weight of accountability, the challenges of using AI to bridge gaps in democracy, and the global lessons that could help restore trust in governance. He also grapples with the unresolved tension of redesigning democracy for the 21st century, where technology, power, and human agency collide.Why listen?Understand the systemic flaws eroding trust in democracy and how they manifest in everyday governance.Explore the emotional and moral cost of realizing that the systems you once believed in are broken.Learn how technology, like AI, can be used to re-engage voters—and the risks of manipulation that come with it.Discover why accountability is not just a buzzword but a necessity for restoring faith in democratic institutions.Gain insights into global movements for democracy reform and how they intersect with local efforts.Whether you’re a citizen, a policymaker, or simply someone who cares about the future of democracy, Ramon’s story offers a thoughtful and urgent perspective on the challenges we face and the tools we have to address them.Keywords: democracy reform, civic engagement, accountability in governance, gerrymandering, campaign finance, AI in democracy, voter disenfranchisement, systemic flaws in democracy, political trust, legislative accountability, democracy in the 21st century, Ramon Perez, Digital Democracy Project, Matters of Consequence podcast
9. Rethinking the Misinformation Paradox - On distrust, power, and the real roots of deception
30:12||Season 3, Ep. 9Misinformation is often framed as a modern crisis, an unstoppable force shaping elections, fuelling division and eroding trust. But what if the problem is not what we think it is? What if the real issue lies not in the spread of false information but in how we perceive it, fear it and respond to it? In this episode of Matters of Consequence, host Michael Hanf speaks with Dr. Sacha Altay, an experimental psychologist and researcher at the University of Zurich, whose work challenges the alarmist narratives around misinformation. Sacha’s research reveals that exposure to misinformation is far lower than we assume, that people are less gullible than we think and that misinformation is often a symptom of deeper societal issues like distrust in institutions, polarization and the way power shapes what we believe. Sacha shares his journey from believing in conspiracy theories as a teenager to becoming a leading voice in misinformation research. He explains why social dynamics like group identity and conformity often play a bigger role in shaping beliefs than algorithms or micro targeting. And he offers a provocative perspective: What if the solution is not just fighting misinformation but rebuilding trust in reliable sources and strengthening the institutions that hold society together? Why listen?Discover why misinformation is less about exposure and more about perception and how this changes the way we should address it.Explore the psychological and social mechanisms that allow misinformation to spread, from the third person effect to the role of powerful actors.Understand why current interventions like fact checking and media literacy might be missing the mark and what alternatives could work better.Reflect on the tension between fear and reality in the misinformation debate and how we can move toward more effective, human centred solutions.Gain insights into how distrust in institutions fuels the problem and why rebuilding trust might be the key to combating misinformation. Whether you are a researcher, policymaker or simply someone trying to navigate the complexities of the modern information landscape, this conversation offers a thoughtful, nuanced and actionable perspective on one of the most pressing issues of our time. Keywords: misinformation, disinformation, trust, social media, psychology, cognitive science, polarization, third person effect, fact checking, media literacy, institutional trust, power dynamics, Sacha Altay, Matters of Consequence, information ecosystem, algorithmic bias, micro targeting, conspiracy theories, public discourse
8. In Pursuit of a Wonderful Nothing - On absurdism, defiance, and the need to be seen
32:30||Season 3, Ep. 8What does it mean to create art that defies definition? In this episode of Matters of Consequence, Kim Noble, artist, comedian, provocateur and performance maker, takes us on a journey through the unresolved, the absurd and the deeply personal. Known for his work in Noble and Silver and his latest book In Pursuit of a Wonderful Nothing, Kim uses humour, provocation and vulnerability to expose the emotional weight of the human experience. But as he reveals, the meaning of his art often only emerges after the fact, shaped by interpretation, discourse and the passage of time.Kim shares his deeply personal and often contradictory relationship with his work. He reflects on why he does what he does, the process behind his creations and what it feels like to spend a life questioning the status quo. From his struggles with self-doubt and the need for validation to his defiance of societal norms, Kim’s story is one of raw honesty and unfiltered introspection. He discusses the emotional toll of constantly pointing out what others ignore, the tension between provocation and vulnerability and why laughter might just be the most subversive tool we have.This conversation explores the contextual nature of art and how its meaning is not fixed but evolves through the lens of those who engage with it. Kim’s work challenges us to laugh, squirm and ultimately see the world differently, as The Guardian once put it, "tilts your mind off its axis." But beneath the humour and absurdity lies a deeper question: What does it mean to create when the world resists understanding?Why listen?Discover how art can challenge norms and expose uncomfortable truths through humor and absurdism.Explore the emotional and psychological weight of creating work that defies easy categorization.Reflect on the role of interpretation and discourse in shaping the meaning of art and the artist’s journey.Understand the tension between provocation and the desire for acceptance and how this fuels creative expression.Gain insights into the personal struggles and triumphs of an artist who embraces vulnerability and defiance.Learn why laughter can be a powerful tool for subversion, connection and self-expression.Whether you are an artist, a creator, a thinker or simply someone who values raw, unfiltered conversations, Kim’s story offers a thoughtful and deeply human perspective on the power of questioning the status quo. His journey invites us to embrace the unresolved, to find meaning in the absurd and to recognize the quiet strength it takes to show up even when the world does not always understand.Keywords: Kim Noble, art and absurdism, performance art, humor as provocation, emotional weight of art, interpretation of art, vulnerability in creativity, defying norms, laughter as subversion, unfiltered conversations, Matters of Consequence, artist journey, meaning of art, creative process, subversive humour, contextual art, emotional toll of creativity, provocation and vulnerability, self-doubt in art, need for validation in creativity
7. When Your Heart Breaks - On medicine, poetry and the quiet strength of those who show up
33:42||Season 3, Ep. 7What does it mean to heal others when the weight of their stories stays with you? In this episode of Matters of Consequence, host Michael Hanf speaks with Megan Kamath, an advanced heart failure and transplant cardiologist, poet, and trauma-informed coach, about the emotional toll of medicine and the power of showing up, again and again, for those who need it most.Megan’s career spans the cutting edge of cardiology and the deeply human work of relational medicine. But behind the titles and the technology lies a simpler, harder truth: that healing is as much about presence as it is about science. From her earliest memories of wanting to be a doctor to the moments where she realized the limits of what medicine could fix, Megan shares what it’s like to carry the stories of patients she couldn’t save, and why those experiences shaped not just her practice, but her poetry and her life.Through her book Resilient Cadence and her work with Clinician Thrive, Megan explores the tensions between the system and the oath, the metrics and the humanity, and the quiet strength required to keep going in a profession where the stakes are always high. She reflects on the moments that still weigh on her, the poems that helped her process them, and why the most meaningful work often happens in the spaces where medicine and art intersect.Why listen?Discover how relational medicine can restore dignity and connection in a system that often prioritizes efficiency over humanity.Explore the emotional burden of high-stakes medical work and how clinicians process the weight of their decisions.Understand the role of poetry and creativity in helping professionals navigate the unseen toll of their careers.Learn why systemic change in healthcare starts with acknowledging the gaps between what heals and what’s rewarded.Gain insights into how trauma-informed coaching can help clinicians reclaim their purpose and well-being.Whether you’re a healthcare professional, a patient, or simply someone who believes in the power of human connection, Megan’s story is a reminder that healing isn’t just about fixing bodies, it’s about holding space for the human experience, in all its complexity and beauty.Keywords:medicine, cardiology, heart failure, transplant, poetry, relational medicine, healthcare, emotional toll, clinician well-being, trauma-informed coaching, systemic change, patient care, healing, human connection, Megan Kamath, Resilient Cadence, Clinician Thrive, professional burnout, medical ethics, storytelling in medicine, Matters of Consequence
6. The Invisible Backbone of Climate Action - On the data that shapes our climate future
30:15||Season 3, Ep. 6What happens when the foundation of climate action relies on data that most people never see or even know exists? In the latest episode of Matters of Consequence, Hannele Laine, Director General of the Integrated Carbon Observation System (ICOS), takes us inside the unseen world of Europe's greenhouse gas observation network. The episode explores the systemic importance of standardized climate data, the tension between scientific rigor and political urgency and the quiet work of ensuring that the measurements we need today are not lost forever.Hannele Laine, a climate scientist and leader with decades of experience at the Finnish Meteorological Institute and the Finnish Climate Change Panel, shares the realities of her journey. From her transition from research to leadership to her role in shaping ICOS as a European research infrastructure, Hannele reveals the emotional weight of leading in a field where the stakes are high but the recognition is often invisible. Stories like the irrevocability of climate data, "If we don't make the measurements today, they are lost forever," illustrate the human cost of a system built on precision, trust and persistence. Yet, amid the challenges, Hannele also shares moments of hope, such as the potential of combining ground based measurements with satellite data to revolutionize climate observation.Why listen? Hear the realities of leading a foundational but often invisible climate research infrastructure, from standardization to global collaboration.Explore the systemic gaps in climate data, the cost of maintaining trust in science and the questions we are not asking about the future of climate action. Understand the emotional toll of working in a field where urgency clashes with the need for meticulous, long term observation. Discover moments of innovation and hope, like the integration of satellite and ground based data, that are shaping the next decade of climate science. Gain insights into how Europe can maintain its leadership in climate observation and the role of research infrastructures in global climate action.This episode is a must listen for scientists, policymakers, climate advocates or anyone who cares about the intersection of data, trust and the future of our planet. Whether you are working in climate science, interested in the politics of environmental action or simply want to understand the human side of systemic challenges, Hannele's story will leave you with new perspectives and a deeper appreciation for the unseen work that shapes our world.