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The Cost of Unconditional Trust and How It Breaks
In this episode of Matters of Consequence, host Michael Hanf speaks with River Selby about their seven years as a wildland firefighter, a job that demanded absolute trust in a system that often failed to protect its people.
They talk about the physical and emotional toll of the Fireline, where exhaustion and fear are suppressed for survival, and where the culture of silence leaves little room for reckoning. They talk about the moments when trust in your crew becomes a matter of life or death, and what happens when that trust is betrayed. And they talk about the quiet aftermath, when the adrenaline fades and the weight of what was carried finally surfaces.
A conversation about responsibility, the cost of silence, and the unresolved questions of doing work that demands everything but gives little in return.
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17. The Story Behind the Story
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16. What Matters in the Room
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14. The loneliness of tragic leadership
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13. The weight of caring
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12. The danger of good intentions
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11. I will never not be adopted
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