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Larry Crane (Tape OP) - EP240 - The Creative Asylum
Larry Crane started out scrappy, playing bass for the Chico, CA-based Indie-darling band, Vomit Launch. The band called it quits and Larry moved to Portland, where he became a producer and engineer, and was also where he founded Tape Op Magazine, a publication devoted to the process of making records and the creativity that goes into the process of recording. Hi interviews include conversations with John Cale, Steve Albini, Talking Heads' Jerry Harrison, Herb Alpert and Danny Elfman just to name a few, His recording credits stack up just as impressively: Elliott Smith, Sleater-Kinney, The Decemberists, Cat Power, Stephen Malkmus, Quasi, Jenny Lewis, M. Ward, the Go-Betweens and so many more. We explore what it takes to earn trust from artists across many decades, and—as the archivist for the Estate of Elliott Smith—his examination of the history that he's played a part in.
Tape Op is released six times a year and is essential reading for musicians, producers, and engineers, specifically if you want to explore how others think about how they capture their creative output in the studio.
This is a conversation with an old friend who has a deep appreciation for the values of building community tempered with the perspective of working DIY and the understanding that sometimes you have to be open to stepping beyond your tribe, because sometimes you're forced to work with other kinds of interests that arrive with a different set of expectations.
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241. Melissa Monroe - EP241 - The Creative Asylum
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239. Paul Leary (Butthole Surfers) - EP239 - The Creative Asylum
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238. Steven McDonald (Redd Kross, Melvins) - EP238 - The Creative Asylum
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234. Alex Kuno - EP234 - The Creative Asylum
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