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The Burning Issue

Gallagher partner Ian Lester on the end of permitting insurance, uninsured facilities, and why waste will also be a ‘hard market’

Season 3, Ep. 8

EWB editor Luke Walsh talks to Gallagher partner Ian Lester.


This podcast covers:


  • Why insurers won’t be covering the permitting process anymore 
  • Operational plants unable to find insurance 
  • Understanding the risks around carbon capture 
  • Finding a box of hand grenades dumped in waste
  • SAF projects are “receiving a lot of interest”
  • Fires in Netherlands and US have concerned insurers covering the sector
  • How council can cover facilities as PFI deals end.

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