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The Burning Issue
The ESA’s Jacob Hayler on a potential UK EfW moratorium, should Barclay stay at DEFRA and why landfill tax fraud is “creating a huge distortion” in the market
Season 3, Ep. 9
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EWB editor Luke Walsh talks ESA executive director Jacob Hayler as the development and future of the UK’s energy-from-waste sector is thrown into the air by the government’s controversial block on new environmental permits.
This episode focuses on:
- Could an EfW moratorium be in Labour’s general election manifesto
- “Political interference” in the permitting process
- Should DEFRA minister Steve Barclay resign?
- Government has spread investor concern over the entire permitting process
- Industry has a “perception that there is a lack of coordination and joined up clarity” within the current government
- EA struggling with lack of funds and “too many constraints”
- Concerns including EfW in the UK ETS will lead to “carbon tourism or leakage”
Hayler joined the ESA from the city in 2005 as an economist, and has worked to develop market-focused policies that combine environmental and economic sustainability. He also has responsibility at the trade body for policy relating to finance, tax, carbon management, contracts and of course EfW.
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