Share

cover art for Roots of Tension in Canada’s Israel-Palestine Discourse

The Backbench

Roots of Tension in Canada’s Israel-Palestine Discourse

Ep. 78

Editor's note: For additional context Hamas emerged in 1987 during the first Palestinian uprising, or intifada, as an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch. The group is committed to armed resistance against Israel and the creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in Israel's place. For more: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2284721219710#:~:text=A%20spotlight%20was%20cast%20on,Ashley%20Fraser%20explores%20its%20origins.


In Canada, the political discourse on the news coming out of Israel and Palestine has given Backbench host, some “serious whiplash.” Discussions happening online seem extremely polarized, making it difficult to have productive and nuanced conversations. In this episode, Mattea sits down with Muhannad Ayyash, a Palestinian Professor of Sociology, and Jeremy Appel, a journalist and author, to get to the root of this contention.  


Host: Mattea Roach

Credits: Aviva Lessard (Producer), Noor Azrieh (Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor), Annette Ejiofor (Managing Editor)

Guests: Muhannad Ayyash, Jeremy Appel


Background reading:



Sponsors: oxio, Athletic Greens


If you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free, including early releases and bonus content. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, discounts on merch, tickets to our live and virtual events, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. 


You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.


More episodes

View all episodes

  • 88. Conservative Comic-Con

    42:58
    The Canada Strong and Free conference is one of the biggest events of the year for Canadian conservatives. The party is polling high, and this event was set to be a launching point for an upcoming wave of victories. Boris Johnson and former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott were in the house, along with premiers Danielle Smith and Blaine Higgs.It’s a strange place, where the movement grapples with big topics like climate change, housing costs and foreign policy. What are conservatives talking about? What do they disagree on? We sent our producers Aviva and Sam into the belly of the beast to find out.Host:  Mattea RoachCredits: Aviva Lessard (Producer), Sam Konnert (Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor and Technical Producer), André Proulx (Production Coordinator), Karyn Pugliese (Editor-in-Chief)Background reading:Poilievre pitches ‘common-sense Canadian consensus’ at Canada Strong and Free conference, casts Trudeau as ‘illiberal’ outlier – The Hill TimesBoris Johnson tells Canadian conservatives that freedom is the key to victory - National PostPoilievre attacks Trudeau for not reading intelligence briefing notes, breaking 'with liberalism itself' - National PostSponsors: AG1, RotmanWant your audio story on CANADALAND? Submissions for the Local Correspondent Audio Contest are now open! To learn more, visit canadaland.com/audiocontest and follow @CanadaLabs on Instagram to stay in the loop. If you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free, including early releases and bonus content. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, discounts on merch, tickets to our live and virtual events, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.
  • 87. State of Emergency Rooms

    27:58
    We’re bringing you a special episode today from our friends at Commons. Over thirteen seasons, Commons has exposed Canada’s foundational reliance on monopolies, our addiction to real estate and the dark side of hockey. In their new season, host Arshy Mann is now dissecting the state of work in Canada to ask – how did we get here? And what can we do to fight back? Across Canada, emergency rooms have been shutting down, leaving desperate people in the lurch. And at the heart of this health care crisis, is a labour crisis.Nurses are leaving their jobs in droves, leaving hospitals understaffed and sometimes unable to carry out their most basic obligations.In this episode, we'll tell you how nursing went from a profession hailed as heroic to one in an utter state of crisis, all through the eyes of a woman who lived through it all.Featured in this episode: Nadira RossCredits: Arshy Mann (Host and Producer), Jordan Cornish (Producer), Noor Azrieh (Producer), André Proulx (Production Coordinator), Karyn Pugliese (Editor-in-Chief)To learn more:“How Canadian hospitals became dependent on expensive, out-of-town nurses” by Tu Thanh Ha, Kelly Grant and Stephanie Chambers in The Globe and Mail“How nursing staffing agencies are costing Ontario hospitals untold millions” by Mike Crawley in CBC News Sponsors: AG1If you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free, including early releases and bonus content. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, discounts on merch, tickets to our live and virtual events, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.
  • 86. The Convoy Keeps Rolling

    54:55
    When the trucks moved out of Ottawa in 2022, our public discourse changed. Grievance politics thrived, and our political parties adapted.Supporters of the convoy splintered into different groups. They became very politically engaged in causes like the 1 Million March for Children, the Save the Children Convoy, Canadians for Truth and even a grassroots lobby group - Take Back Alberta. As the organizers' trials reach their end, we look at the movement's lingering effects. Where are the members now? Do they represent a significant part of the country? How do we address this fundamental change in discourse?  To find out, Mattea Roach asked David Fraser, a CBC Ottawa reporter who’s been covering the convoy for years, and David Moscrop, a political scientist and columnist based in Ottawa.Host:  Mattea RoachCredits: Aviva Lessard (Producer), Sam Konnert (Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor and Technical Producer), André Proulx (Production Coordinator), Karyn Pugliese (Editor-in-Chief)Guests: David Moscrop, David FraserBackground reading:What is the ‘Save the Children Convoy’ and What Do They Really Believe? - Press ProgressAnti-LGBTQ+ ‘Million Man Marches’ Are Being Held Across Canada. Who is Behind Them and What Are They Really About? - Press ProgressHow Canada’s Right-Wing Pivoted From COVID-19 Conspiracies to Conspiracies About Gender in 2023 - Press ProgressWhat remains of the convoy protest one year later - The Globe and Mail2 years later, 'Freedom Movement' plans return to Parliament Hill - CBC News Freedom, politics, control and money — the many motivations of the 'Freedom Convoy '- CBCSponsors: AG1, DouglasIf you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free, including early releases and bonus content. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.Want free shipping from The Canadaland Store? Use the code discount code SPRING24 at checkout for free Canada-wide shipping on any order until March 31, 2024.
  • 85. The Hate U Post

    50:10
    Richard Warman used to take neo-nazis he found online to the human rights commission. He used an obscure provision called Section 13, which was repealed in 2014. But it may be coming back.The long-awaited Online Harms Act includes a section allowing human rights complaints over online hate speech. Free speech advocates are worried, but some say it’s time trolls start behaving. Who gets to decide what’s hate speech? Is this the end of online hate or the start of something more sinister? To find out, Mattea Roach asked Emily Laidlaw, a Canada Research Chair in Cybersecurity Law and an Associate Professor at the University of Calgary, and Richard Moon, a law professor at the University of Windsor. Correction (March 18, 2024): This episode’s description originally stated that the proposed Online Harms Act would permit “users to sue each other for hate speech online.” In fact, it would allow the Canadian Human Rights Commission to consider complaints related to allegedly discriminatory online speech and to refer such complaints to the quasi-judicial Canadian Human Rights Tribunal.Host: Mattea RoachCredits: Aviva Lessard (Producer), Sam Konnert (Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor and Technical Producer), André Proulx (Production Coordinator) Karyn Pugliese (Editor-in-Chief)Guests: Richard Moon, Emily LaidlawBackground reading:The government doubles down on censoring the internet - The HubOnline harms bill could spark 'an absolute tsunami of complaints' - National PostCarson Jerema: Don't believe the Liberals, online harms act targets free speech - National PostThe history of Section 13, the controversial hate speech law the Liberals just revived - National PostPoilievre says online harms should be punished with jail, 'not pushed off to new bureaucracy' - National Post#198 Punching Nazis... With The Law! - CanadalandSponsors: Douglas, AG1If you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free, including early releases and bonus content. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, discounts on merch, tickets to our live and virtual events, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.
  • 84. Failing Universities 101

    44:25
    Canadian universities are barely scraping by. Queen’s is in a whole lot of debt, Laurentian declared insolvency in 2021, Alberta universities are slashing budgets, and McGill and Concordia are in danger over an out-of-province tuition battle. On top of it all, the international student visa cap will limit revenues for cash-strapped universities. Combined, it could have huge implications for our knowledge-based economy.How did this happen? Where do we go from here? To find out, Mattea Roach asked Simona Chiose, the former higher education reporter at the Globe and Mail, and Alex Usher, the president of Higher Education Strategy Associates.Host:  Mattea RoachCredits: Aviva Lessard (Producer), Sam Konnert (Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor and Technical Producer), André Proulx (Production in Coordinator) Karyn Pugliese (Editor-in-Chief)Guests: Alex Usher, Simona ChioseBackground reading:Ford government to provide $1 billion in funding to universities, colleges: sources - Toronto StarHe had 99.5% but still couldn't get in. How Ontario's most competitive university programs decide who makes the cut - Toronto StarMcGill, Concordia launch legal action against Quebec’s tuition hike for out-of-province students - The Globe and MailTwo post-secondary organizations express 'significant concern' over international student cap - CBC NewsSponsors: Douglas, AG1If you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free, including early releases and bonus content. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, discounts on merch, tickets to our live and virtual events, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.
  • 83. Why Are Conservatives Obsessed With Trans People?

    52:54
    Alberta Premier and UCP leader Danielle Smith has unveiled what many are describing as some of the strictest anti-trans policies in the country. Shortly after, Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre, who famously stated he would lead a “mind your own damn business party,” didn’t mind his own damn business and supported Smith’s move in interfering with trans kids' access to healthcare. Why is it that conservatives are so obsessed with trans people? Mattea Roach asked Hannah Hodson, former Candidate for the Federal Conservatives, and Mel Woods, senior editor at Xtra Magazine.Host: Mattea RoachCredits: Aviva Lessard (Producer), Noor Azrieh (Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor) Karyn Pugliese (Editor-in-Chief)Guests: Hannah Hodson, Mel WoodsBackground reading:Alberta’s New Policies: Anti-trans, Anti-evidence from The TyeeThe cruelty and calm of Alberta's attack on trans rights from Xtra MagazineThe 1st openly trans Conservative candidate calls out party's new gender policies from the CBCAlberta premier’s pronoun policy spurs concern from law expert about vulnerable children from Global NewsPremier Smith says Alberta's gender identity policies are based on a concern about 'what will happen' from CTV NewsConservatives tell MPs not to comment on Alberta transgender policies, prioritize parental rights, internal e-mail shows from The Globe and MailSponsors: AG1, DouglasIf you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free, including early releases and bonus content. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, discounts on merch, tickets to our live and virtual events, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.
  • 82. Could Canada Be Complicit in a ‘Plausible Genocide’?

    47:45
    The ICJ court ruled that Palestinians in Gaza face a “real and imminent risk” of genocide, and laid out the provisional measures Israel must take in order to prevent it. Canada has a legal duty to take steps to prevent genocide - yet their relationship to Israel may compromise their obligations to the Genocide Convention. What will it take for Canada to pivot on its special relationship with Israel? And might Canada be complicit in genocide?Host:  Mattea RoachCredits: Aviva Lessard (Producer), Noor Azrieh (Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor), Annette Ejiofor (Managing Editor) Karyn Pugliese (Editor-in-Chief)Guests: Amanda Ghahremani, Farida Deif, Mark KerstenBackground reading:Ratification of the Genocide ConventionStatement by Minister Joly on South Africa’s case against Israel at the International Court of Justice Ruling by UN’s top court means Canada and the U.S. could be complicit in Gaza genocide from The ConversationClaims that Israel is imposing 'apartheid' on Palestinians put new pressure on Trudeau Liberals from CBC News. South Africa’s legal effort to declare Israel’s actions ‘genocidal in character’ poses dilemma for Canada from The Globe and Mail.Canada should halt weapons shipments to Israel, arms control advocate says from The Globe and Mail.International law, not history, holds the promise of protecting life in Gaza from the Toronto Star.Sponsors: Douglas, AG1If you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, discounts on merch, tickets to our live and virtual events, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.
  • 81. Selling Sunset, Buying Stress

    45:49
    Lack of investment in affordable rental units, increased financialization of housing, soaring land prices, and jacked-up mortgage rates are just some of the reasons behind the rental and housing crisis we find ourselves in. But how the hell do we get out of this crisis while still being able to sip on our $5 coffees? Host:  Mattea RoachCredits: Aviva Lessard (Producer), Noor Azrieh (Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor and Technical Producer), Annette Ejiofor (Managing Editor) Karyn Pugliese (Editor-in-Chief)Guests: Jen St. Denis, Tanya BurkartBackground reading:Fact Checking Poilievre’s ‘Housing Hell’ Video - The TyeeWhy Can’t We Build Like It’s the 1970s? - The TyeePeople love living in co-ops — so why did Canada kill the program? - RicochetTo solve Canada’s housing crisis, make renting great again - National ObserverHousing Hell - Pierre PoilievreSponsors: Rotman, AG1If you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free, including early releases and bonus content. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, discounts on merch, tickets to our live and virtual events, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.
  • 80. 2023 Was the Year of Political Nonsense

    42:57
    This year has been one hell of a political rollercoaster. Host, Mattea Roach, sits down with Riley Yesno, Nick Taylor-Vaisey, and Kyle Duggan to make sense of key political moments of this year, and to make predictions of their future implications. They unpack everything from Canada’s foreign interference problem and the controversial carbon tax, to the housing crisis and the NDP-Liberal confidence agreement. Host:  Mattea RoachCredits: Aviva Lessard (Producer), Noor Azrieh (Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor and Technical Producer), Annette Ejiofor (Managing Editor), Karyn Pugliese (Editor-in-Chief)Guests: Nick Taylor-Vaisey, Riley Yesno, Kyle DugganBackground reading:Secret files show CSIS worried Canada has 'no consequences' for foreign state interference – The Toronto StarCanada to pause carbon tax on home heating oil for three years –  ReutersHousing hell: How we got here and how we get out – Twitter @PierrePoilievreLiberals say pharmacare bill unlikely to pass this year, despite promise to NDP – CP24 Sponsors: oxio, Douglas If you value this podcast, Support us! You’ll get premium access to all our shows ad free, including early releases and bonus content. You’ll also get our exclusive newsletter, discounts on merch, tickets to our live and virtual events, and more than anything, you’ll be a part of the solution to Canada’s journalism crisis, you’ll be keeping our work free and accessible to everybody. You can listen ad-free on Amazon Music—included with Prime.