That Sounds Hard

From Amerie to Leonard Cohen, we're calling on all manner of angels to help us understand our broken hearts in this episode featuring designer Rich Aybar.

This week we're joined by writer (and recent musician) Jean Garnett. Jean's previously published her catalogue of hard-learned strategies to try to soften the edges of heartbreak. Now we sit down with Jean to unpack why they work for her but also why we might want to think again when we set out to "fix" a broken heart.

After a recent Times profile of spiritual influencer Jay Shetty sparked our curiosity, Dean and guest Michael Stamm investigate what about this seemingly innocuous social media personality could sparked so much controversy? The reality is more strange and informative of how to spot a wellness grift than we could have guessed. email: projection@thatsoundshard.comIG @thatsoundshardTikTok @thatsoundshardpodYouTube @thatsoundshardpod

This week clinical psychologist Jesse Finkelstein gives us an entirely new take on what heartbreak is and how we can respond to it through his expertise in DBT. Check out Jesse's Real Skills for Real Life: A DBT Guide to Navigating Stress, Emotions, and Relationships.email: projection@thatsoundshard.comIG @thatsoundshardTikTok @thatsoundshardpodYouTube @thatsoundshardpod

A very special treat to be joined by the sibling of Dean's therapist, Julie Tolleson. How has heartbreak touched her? Julie explains why sometimes the heartbreak is not where we expect and the experience she had that was bigger than any broken heart. email: projection@thatsoundshard.comIG @thatsoundshardTikTok @thatsoundshardpodYouTube @thatsoundshardpod

It's always a special episode when another therapist joins us to dig into our subject, today that's friend and colleague Sam Greenleaf Miller. Sam shares what they've learned, and are still working on, in love and heartbreak through a story that starts with the dream of being a country star. And how music stardom can sometimes look like an easier goal than letting people really know who you are. email: projection@thatsoundshard.comIG @thatsoundshardTikTok @thatsoundshardpodYouTube @thatsoundshardpod

A listener who isolates to manage heartbreak, questions about heartbreak across time and what truths does Taylor Swift ultimately hold about our broken hearts? It's our first ever mailbag episode featuring Dean's ex Michael Stamm. projection@thatsoundshard.comIG @thatsoundshardTikTok @thatsoundshardpodYouTube @thatsoundshardpod

We're coming full circle for the mid-season/end of year finale - Dean's ex is on the show to share his story of heartbreak and reflect on their own ending. Email projection@thatsoundshard.comIG @thatsoundshardTikTok @thatsoundshardpodYoutube @thatsoundshardpod