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Nora Bateson "The Changemaker's Trap"

Ep. 162

Playing for Team Human today, filmmaker, writer, educator, and systems thinker, Nora Bateson.


Bateson and Rushkoff interrogate our moment of global crisis to challenge the very systems that drive human behavior and thought. Further, they explore why quantifying humans as part of a system reduces people to abstract figures rather than the complex beings they truly are. "There's something about this possibility of recognizing living complexity in ourselves and each other that becomes this untold possibility," Bateson says.


In his opening monologue, Rushkoff discusses why Team Human’s greatest strength is not in a specific physical space, but in the form of deeply honest, human engagement.


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Hosted by Douglas Rushkoff

Produced by Josh Chapdelaine

Audio Edited & Mixed by Luke Robert Mason

Our community manager is Michael Bass.


Music by Fugazi (On this Episode you heard “Foreman’s Dog” in the intro – thanks to the kindness of the band and Dischord Records.)

Special thanks to Stephen Bartolomei.


Team Human is a Production of the Laboratory for Digital Humanism at Queens College.

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