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Brandon Sanderson’s Simple Storytelling Model that Always Works
“Think about what your story promises and then ask yourself if you're actually moving toward it.” — Rain Bennett
Tired of overcomplicated storytelling formulas?
In this episode, Rain simplifies the process with a three-step model inspired by bestselling fantasy author Brandon Sanderson: Promise, Progress, Payoff. This framework is rooted in classical storytelling principles but designed for clarity and ease—whether you're telling a short story, a brand narrative, or a social media post.
Rain breaks down what each step means, how to apply it in your work, and why it's so effective at keeping your audience engaged and emotionally invested. You’ll hear examples from The Lion King, Star Wars, and even YouTube tutorials to show how Promise, Progress, and Payoff show up across formats.
If you're feeling overwhelmed by storytelling theory, this episode brings you back to what matters most: clear expectations, forward motion, and satisfying endings.
In this episode, you will learn to:
- Use Promise, Progress, Payoff to guide any story you’re telling, no matter the format or length.
- Establish clear expectations early to draw your audience in and build trust.
- Keep your story on track by checking whether each moment is moving the narrative forward.
- Deliver a satisfying resolution that rewards the time and attention of your audience.
- Adapt this structure to content of any scale, from brand videos to epic novels.
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214. How a Local Utility Company Became a Storytelling Powerhouse with Krystal Phillips
51:37||Season 14, Ep. 214“It’s not just about keeping the lights on—it’s about building a relationship with the people at the end of the line.” — Krystal Phillips, JO-EMCStorytelling isn’t just for trendy brands or startups.In this episode, Rain sits down with Krystal Phillips, Communications and Community Relations Manager at Jones-Onslow EMC, to explore how a rural electric co-op built a storytelling culture that would rival any big tech brand.Krystal reveals the behind-the-scenes thinking that led a utility company to invest in heartfelt video stories, internal leadership programs, and community-first content. Together, they unpack how to measure storytelling ROI when you can’t rely on sales, how buy-in from leadership transforms culture, and why authenticity matters more than production value.This episode is a must-listen for anyone working in “unsexy” industries who wants to make storytelling their competitive advantage.In this episode, you will learn to:Harness storytelling as a strategic tool, even in “boring” or highly regulated industriesBuild team buy-in by grounding your strategy in community and trustEstablish internal programs that create a pipeline of storytellers inside your organizationHumanize your brand with stories that foster empathy and emotional connectionMeasure the real ROI of storytelling beyond dollars and metricsFollow Krystal on:LinkedInInstagramor visit the JO-EMC website, HERE!And for more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit rainbennett.com or thestorytellinglabpodcast.comFollow on TikTok @chiefstorytellingofficerFollow on Twitter @rainbennettFollow on Instagram @rainbennettFollow on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to the YouTube Channel
213. Storytelling That Builds Trust Across Any Organization with Salvatore Manzi
55:02||Season 14, Ep. 213“A shared narrative means everyone in the organization is speaking about the story in the same way.” — Salvatore ManziIf every person on your team is telling a different version of your brand story, you don’t have a marketing problem—you have a clarity crisis.In this episode, communication strategist and author Salvatore Manzi joins Rain to break down how to build a shared narrative that aligns everyone in your organization.From CEOs to customer service reps, consistency in storytelling builds trust, clarity, and emotional resonance. Salvatore shares actionable frameworks for clear and compelling communication, how to blend personal and brand narratives, and why metaphors are essential tools for influence.Whether you're leading a nonprofit or a global brand, this episode will sharpen your storytelling and unify your message.In this episode, you will learn to:Align your entire team behind a unified narrative that eliminates confusionUse storytelling frameworks to turn complex data into meaningful messagesBuild trust with audiences by integrating vulnerability into your leadership voiceAvoid common communication pitfalls in both nonprofits and STEM-driven businessesApply the “problem, process, outcome” structure to make your stories more actionableFollow Salvatore on:LinkedInInstagramor visit his website, HERE!And for more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit rainbennett.com or thestorytellinglabpodcast.comFollow on TikTok @chiefstorytellingofficerFollow on Twitter @rainbennettFollow on Instagram @rainbennettFollow on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to the YouTube Channel
212. How to Use Storytelling to Fuel a Content Engine with David Ebner
54:08||Season 14, Ep. 212“A message map is the most underutilized resource for marketers.” — David EbnerWhat if the reason your marketing isn’t working has nothing to do with the content itself, but everything to do with the foundation it’s built on?In this episode, Rain sits down with David Ebner, founder of Content Workshop and one of the clearest voices in content strategy, to unpack why most brand storytelling falls flat. They explore the concept of the message map, how to build a storytelling system that scales, and why trust is the most important marketing metric you’re probably not tracking.David also opens up about how his background in creative writing fuels his approach to business storytelling, what metrics actually matter, and how emotion creates longevity in brand relationships.Whether you're a solopreneur or scaling a team, this episode will challenge the way you think about content and give you a smarter path forward.In this episode, you will learn to:Apply the power of a message map to bring structure and purpose to your contentUse storytelling as a system, not just a one-off tacticRethink your marketing metrics and focus on what truly builds trustLeverage long-form cornerstone content to fuel your daily outputAvoid burnout by shifting from production obsession to strategic clarityFollow David on:LinkedInor visit the Content Workshop website, HERE!And for more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit rainbennett.com or thestorytellinglabpodcast.comFollow on TikTok @rainbennett.storyellerFollow on Twitter @rainbennettFollow on Instagram @rainbennettFollow on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to the YouTube Channel
211. How Personal Stories Build Public Trust in Just 7 Minutes with Aaron Calafato
01:09:45||Season 14, Ep. 211“The shortest distance between two souls is a story.” — Aaron CalafatoAaron Calafato doesn’t just teach storytelling—he lives it. In this episode, we dive into what it really means to lead with story, both as an artist and a business strategist. Aaron shares how he built an audience (and a business) by showing up authentically and consistently, telling personal stories that are never just about him. We discuss the fine line between self-expression and self-indulgence, how personal narratives can unlock professional growth, and why he refuses to monetize his podcast Seven Minute Stories. This conversation is full of heart, humor, and hard-earned wisdom for anyone trying to build trust through story.In this episode, you will learn to:Identify the differences between storytelling as a gift and storytelling as a performanceUse personal stories to create trust, not just attentionBalance art and business while staying true to your valuesBuild long-term brand equity through consistent storytellingAvoid the trap of trying to be “cool” when what people really want is connectionFollow Aaron on:YouTubeInstagramor listen to his show, Seven Minute Stories, HERE!And for more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit rainbennett.com or thestorytellinglabpodcast.comFollow on TikTok @rainbennett.storyellerFollow on Twitter @rainbennettFollow on Instagram @rainbennettFollow on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to the YouTube Channel
210. Building a Narrative Operating System that Scales Your Business
24:11||Season 14, Ep. 210“A story is a single arc of transformation. A narrative is the thread that connects them all.” — Rain BennettMost businesses think their biggest challenge is marketing. But what if the real issue is story misalignment?In this solo episode, Rain Bennett introduces the Narrative Operating System—a strategic framework designed to bring your brand's stories into alignment across every department: from vision and mission to product, marketing, advertising, and sales.This isn't just a branding tool. It’s a storytelling system that ensures your internal culture and external messaging work in harmony.Rain breaks down each layer of the system and shows how companies can create a brand people don’t just buy from, but they believe in.You’ll learn why most teams default to their own version of the story, how that causes confusion and erodes trust, and how the Chief Storytelling Officer role solves that. If you’ve ever felt like your message was scattered or your content inconsistent, this episode gives you a clear roadmap to fix it for good!In this episode, you will learn to:Align every department with one cohesive brand narrativeBuild a storytelling system that fuels marketing, product, and salesUnderstand the difference between story and narrative—and why it mattersUse narrative to drive consistency, connection, and long-term loyaltyEmbrace the CSO role as the protector of your brand’s story DNAFor more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit my website rainbennett.com or thestorytellinglabpodcast.comFollow me on TikTok @rainbennett.storyellerFollow me on Twitter @rainbennettFollow me on Instagram @rainbennettFollow me on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to my Youtube Channel
209. How the Soundtracks of Our Lives Shape who We Become with Patrick Hicks
01:04:25||Season 14, Ep. 209“If it makes me curious, then maybe it’ll make someone else curious, too.” — Patrick HicksWhat started as a 30-day content challenge became a storytelling movement powered by rock, raw honesty, and curiosity.In this episode of The Storytelling Lab, Rain Bennett speaks with Patrick Hicks, creator of a viral TikTok account (@patrickhicksmusic), where he tells the stories behind the songs that shaped our lives. With over half a million followers and a growing book project, Patrick has built a creator career that feels authentic, soulful, and sustainable.They discuss how Patrick’s background in marketing, music, and punk DIY culture gave him the tools to grow his audience without losing his voice. You’ll hear how he balances content creation with a full-time job, why he never polishes his videos, and how he structures stories to connect emotionally—without chasing algorithms.This episode is a masterclass in following your curiosity, honoring your influences, and building something meaningful on your own terms.In this episode, you will learn to:Turn a simple idea into a large, loyal audience by following your own curiosityTell better stories by pairing emotional narratives with musical memoryStructure short-form content that resonates without being overproducedBuild trust and authenticity by leaning into your quirks and imperfectionsBalance creative pursuits with real life while still growing your platformFollow Patrick on:TikTokInstagramor subscribe to his Substack here!And for more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit rainbennett.com or thestorytellinglabpodcast.comFollow on TikTok @rainbennett.storyellerFollow on Twitter @rainbennettFollow on Instagram @rainbennettFollow on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to the YouTube Channel
208. Interviewing as a Tool for Trust, Healing, and Human Connection with Wil Weldon
51:34||Season 14, Ep. 208"Interviewing is not about taking something—it's about helping them be more of who they are." — Wil WeldonWhat if the key to more powerful storytelling lies not in your editing skills—but in your ability to deeply listen?In this soul-stirring episode, Rain Bennett talks with Wil Weldon, a video journalist, former massage therapist, and Reiki practitioner who’s developed a holistic approach to interviewing called Heart-Forward Storytelling.They dive into Wil’s new book INNERviewing: Heart-Forward Storytelling and Holistic Communication, which teaches storytellers, coaches, marketers, and everyday humans how to create space for transformational conversations. You’ll learn how principles of energy transfer, intention, and trust can improve your interviews—not just on camera, but in life.From family storytelling to trauma-informed listening, this episode reminds us that storytelling is more than performance—it's connection at its deepest level.In this episode, you will learn to:Create deeper interviews by minimizing your ego and agendaApply Reiki-inspired principles to your communication processBuild trust and energy in storytelling relationships without manipulationPreserve your family’s legacy through intentional, heart-centered conversationsRedefine interviewing as a collaborative, healing experience—not an extractive oneFor more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit rainbennett.com or thestorytellinglabpodcast.comFollow on TikTok @rainbennett.storyellerFollow on Twitter @rainbennettFollow on Instagram @rainbennettFollow on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to the YouTube Channel
207. The Ethics of Filming Real Love Triangles in Mistress Dispeller with Elizabeth Lo
57:04||Season 14, Ep. 207"I wanted each character to be complex enough and sympathetic enough that there's some deep reason you could identify in yourself." — Elizabeth LoHow do you tell a story that's intimate, ethically complicated, and rooted in real-life secrecy—without exploiting your subjects?In this episode, Rain Bennett speaks with acclaimed documentary filmmaker Elizabeth Lo, director of Mistress Dispeller, one of the most talked-about films this year.The film follows a professional “mistress dispeller” in China hired to break up extramarital affairs on behalf of betrayed spouses—yes, it’s exactly what it sounds like.Elizabeth opens up about how she gained the trust of real people in real love triangles, how she balanced empathy with narrative clarity, and how she created emotional tension through stillness instead of sensationalism.They discuss ethical gray areas, building documentaries without control, and letting stories unfold naturally while still crafting a cohesive arc. If you’re a nonfiction filmmaker or just someone interested in telling hard stories with humanity, this episode is a must-listen.In this episode, you will learn to:Earn the trust of documentary subjects by building long-term, authentic relationshipsLet stories unfold naturally instead of forcing a narrative structureNavigate ethical storytelling with sensitive, real-world materialUse stillness and silence to create emotional tensionAlign your personal values with the stories you choose to tellFor more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit rainbennett.com or thestorytellinglabpodcast.comFollow on TikTok @rainbennett.storyellerFollow on Twitter @rainbennettFollow on Instagram @rainbennettFollow on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to the Youtube Channel
206. Brand Stories Grab Attention, But Brand Narratives Build Movements
21:42||Season 14, Ep. 206“A story is a singular arc of transformation. A narrative is the thread that ties all your stories together.” — Rain BennettIs telling your brand story enough to build a loyal audience?In this episode, Rain Bennett breaks down the essential but often misunderstood difference between brand story and brand narrative. While most marketers focus on crafting engaging stories, Rain explains why the real secret to lasting brand trust lies in building a clear, consistent narrative thread that connects everything you do, from vision to product to marketing and sales.He uses powerful metaphors—from Hamilton to the Bible to Christmas lights—to help you see the structure of your storytelling system in a new way.You’ll also learn how the Chief Storytelling Officer is the guardian of that narrative, ensuring every department speaks in harmony. If you’ve ever felt like your content is scattered or your message is missing the mark, this episode will show you how to realign your storytelling, as well as your business.In this episode, you will learn to:Distinguish between brand story and brand narrative—and why both are essentialUse narrative as a strategic compass for every department in your businessBuild trust and loyalty by aligning all stories under one cohesive threadCreate a system (not just content) to sustain long-term brand impactStep into the Chief Storytelling Officer role and protect your narrative across platformsFor more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit my website rainbennett.com or thestorytellinglabpodcast.comFollow me on TikTok @rainbennett.storyellerFollow me on Twitter @rainbennettFollow me on Instagram @rainbennettFollow me on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to my Youtube Channel