Somewhere To Believe In


Opportunity with Testament

Season 2, Ep. 5

This week we’re talking to “jack of all trades, master of ceremonies” Testament: hip-hop MC, writer, theatre-maker and world-record-breaking human beatboxer. 

Listen in as Testament discusses his cultural upbringing, including his love of De La Soul as well as the Pet Shop Boys, along with his theory why Glee is not only prophetic, but “the real hip-hop”. 

Testament gets real with Paul and Katherine about his own faith, feminism and social justice work. Including his attempts as a rebellious teenager to ‘out-Christian’ his parents, and his acceptance nowadays of his own vulnerability and ‘brokenness’ as a way to help others reflect on their own lives. 

He also belatedly apologises for accidentally stabbing his older brother in his hand with a compass when they were growing up, but that’s another story…

Meanwhile, Katherine and Paul get excited about Dolly Parton’s covid vaccine and have a go at guessing what’s inside Dominic Cummings’ cardboard box.

Links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.



Testament is a Hip-Hop MC, writer, theatre maker and world record breaking human beatboxer. Born in North London and growing up in Manchester, moving on to study in West Yorkshire where he currently resides. As a lyricist his critically acclaimed work combines strands of rap, song and spoken word. Testament’s work includes the celebrated Hip-Hop album Homecut: No Freedom Without Sacrifice, as well as several spoken word performances for BBC TV and  BBC Radio (1xtra, Radio 4 and 6Music). More recently, 2019 he was Channel 4 Writer in Residence at Royal Exchange Theatre Manchester.







Testament’s website

Dominic Cummings and his cardboard box

Dolly Parton Vaccine 

Orpheus in the Record Shop

Peace Jam

The Romantics and Us with Simon Schama

Testament And William Blake


Testament’s interview with Leroy Logan

Leroy Logan and Testament in conversation - Podcast


00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In

00:20 - Katherine and Paul catch up

08:39 - Introducing Testament and his work

09:22 - Testament joins the conversation

09:50 - Testament on lockdown

11:34 - Testament on Orpheus in the record shop

14:55 - Testament on creativity

23:28 - Testament on Peace Jam

27:45 - Testament on Desmond Tutu

28:50 - Testament on faith, dogma and trying ‘out-Christian’ everyone

32:16 - Testament on Greenbelt Festival

34:10 - Testament on ego and social justice

37:06 - Testament on classic and contemporary art

40:33 - Testament on ‘Woke’ and feminism

47:42 - Testament on racial justice

52:10 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Testament

01:06:00 - Coming up next week

01:07:54 - How to get in touch with us

01:08:08 - Thank you’s

01:08:36 - Hidden track


A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.



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