The Regenerative Agroforestry Podcast

Propagate is a leader in the agroforestry space, specialising in project development and planting agroforestry systems at scale. It's a huge pleasure to chat with Harry, co-founder and Chief Research Officer of the US-based company. Tune in as we geek out on agroforestry economics, economic modelling, design implications and financing options. We delve into questions such as: How do you business plan agroforestry systems? How do we find a balance between economic performance and ecosystem services? And much more!• RESOURCEShttps://www.propagateag.com/• GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org• SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry• FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram• FUNDING FOR EUROPEAN PROJECTS https://explore.ecosia.org/regenerative-agriculture

In this episode I discuss with Claire Lemarié her experience working with farmers in the Pays de la Loire region in France, where she is a technical adviser for the chamber of agriculture. She has precious insights into the management of mature hedges, as this region still has a significant amount of bocage: a traditional french hedge layout. In this interview we gain an understanding of why effective information sharing between farmers is crucial to creating innovative agroforestry systems and how she enables peer to peer exchange through the 'Club des Agroforestiers'.• RESOURCEShttps://www.linkedin.com/in/claire-lemari%C3%A9-34b667155/?originalSubdomain=frYoutube video Chambre d'agriculture de la Loire• GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org• SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry• FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram• FUNDING FOR EUROPEAN PROJECTS https://explore.ecosia.org/regenerative-agriculture

Coppicing is an ancient and modern tree management system. Coppicing is known for its multi-functionality: capable of producing biomass, animal forage, firewood and much more. Today we interview Mark Krawczyk, practitioner, consultant and author of 'Coppice Agroforestry'. In this interview we tackle some of the practical challenges of coppicing, to better understand the economic potential of this technique. Mark demonstrates a variety of nuances and compromises, showing us the versatility as well as the key challenges of this technique. TABLE OF CONTENTS00:02:22 Introduction00:13:19 What are the key concepts of coppicing00:27:50 What impact on tree health? 00:39:12 What prospects for mechanising management? 00:51:44 What uses for coppiced wood? 01:17:42 What effect of coppicing on surrounding plants? 01:22:24 Productivity of coppice stands01:29:14 In relation to soil types• RESOURCEShttps://www.keylinevermont.com/http://www.coppiceagroforestry.com/https://regenerativeskills.com/mark-krawczyk-on-coppice-agroforestry-and-woodland-management-part-1/• GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org• SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry• FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram• FUNDING FOR EUROPEAN PROJECTS https://explore.ecosia.org/regenerative-agriculture

Bruce Maynard and his family are livestock managers and row crop farmers in New South Wales in Austalia. Over his carreer, he has succesfully integrated shrubs and trees to their livestock and row crop operation. He has been able to double his stocking rate through increasing the ecological function of the farm. We dig deep into the design of his tree systems and how it has evloved over the years. We unpack in detail how he has been able to transform his landscape on such a large scale and how this was possible from a business perspective. TABLE OF CONTENTS00:01:21 Bruce's story and description of the farm00:10:06 No-kill cropping00:15:05 Complexifying the landscape00:22:57 Design over time00:30:19 Taking machinery into account00:37:57 Specifics of saltbush00:42:30 Recovery times between bush and pasture00:54:06 Microclimatic benefits00:57:30 Planting trees at scale and its logistics01:10:30 Management of trees/shrubs01:16:00 Business strategy and cashflow01:19:32 Ressources to go further• RESOURCEShttp://selfherding.com/index.htmlhttps://stressfreestockmanship.com.au/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHzo0fDBZs0• GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org• SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry• FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram• FUNDING FOR EUROPEAN PROJECTS https://explore.ecosia.org/regenerative-agriculture

What have we learnt from 30 years at one of the most prominent agroforestry research sites in the world? In collaboration with AGROMIX, We are excited to present an interview with Christian Dupraz, a leading agroforestry researcher from INRAE Montpellier. This is one of our rare 'in person' interviews where we discussed years of findings under the alley cropping walnut trees of the Domaine de Restinclières. We analysed many technical details such as tree - crop competition, tree pruning and adapted tree species. We also discussed socio-economic aspects such as the relationship with the local farmers and the reason why alley cropping systems have not yet been scaled. Enjoy!TABLE OF CONTENTS02:25 Introduction11:12 Experiment today13:38 Growth rate of trees17:43 Impact of AF on the quality of the wood20:13 Considerations to produce a straight trunk00:22 Impact on arable crop 00:26:45 Competition between crop and tree00:30:18 Effect of pollarding on tree quality00:33:56 How do the trees effect the row crop farmer? 00:38:08 How would tree crops fare in alley cropping? 00:39:32 Increase in bat population and its benefits00:44:36 Main mistakes 00:48:05 What context for alley cropping to be successful? 00:56:30 Why do we not see more alley cropping?• RESOURCEShttps://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christian-Dupraz-3https://agromixproject.eu/• GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org• SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry• FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram• FUNDING FOR EUROPEAN PROJECTS https://explore.ecosia.org/regenerative-agriculture• FIND OUT MORE ABOUT OUR COLLABORATION WITH AGROMIX HERE

Conventional viticulture and its intensive management has created some important challenges for wine producers and the regions where they are located. Jean-Baptiste Cordonnier has been able to intimately experience the conventional approach, seeing the fertility and biodiversity of his family's château gradually degrade. For the first time since the start of the show, we are able to delve into the story of an incredible viticulture agroforestry transition. With cover crops, hedges and alley cropping, Jean-Baptiste is innovating new solutions for a management intensive crop. We delve into the story, context, agronomy and practical details of his strategy, for an interview rich in experiences and lessons learnt. TABLE OF CONTENTS00:02:55 Introduction00:07:53 Trial and error to find regenerative solutions00:13:39 Effects of planting hedges on the vineyard00:23:08 Design process00:36:58 Managing weeds and pruning hedges00:43:33 Managing the pruning at scale00:48:12 Mulching and the importance of cover crops01:04:02 Trees planted within the vineyard01:10:35 What are the expected agronomic results? 01:16:49 Why advantages outweigh challenges 01:21:23 Looking at the economics01:31:16 Are neighbouring vineyards interested?01:34:20 What effect do you expect on the quality of wine?• RESOURCEShttps://chateauanthonic.com/en/https://www.instagram.com/chateau_anthonic/https://www.facebook.com/chateauanthonic/• GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org• SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry• FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram• FUNDING FOR EUROPEAN PROJECTS https://explore.ecosia.org/regenerative-agriculture

I am today with Richard Perkins from Ridgedale Farm in Sweden. For those who do not know, Richard is a leading educator and author in the field of regenerative agriculture, specialising in human scale enterprises. We discuss the tree systems he has planted on his farm, and more specifically the opportunity of integrating trees to market gardening and pastured poultry, two of his key enterprises. Richard is also an educator with the mission of helping farmers to build and manage successful small scale farms. He is therefore the ideal guest to have a conversation on how to make small scale agroforestry systems viable, and their place in the farm strategy.TABLE OF CONTENTS01:41Richard’s story05:45 What perennial systems on the farm? 16:08 What place for perennial crops in your long term strategy? 21:30 How do you manage your skill set? 26:07 What oportunity for low managment tree plantings? 31:00 How do you balance complexifying your ecology and maintaining efficiency? 35:48 How to intergrate trees in your market garden? 37:35 Trees and pastured poultry 41:06 How do you make agroforestry profitable on a small scale?  44:32 Funding tree plantations48:41 Where should we prioritise planting trees in the landscape?  • RESOURCEShttps://www.richardperkins.co/https://www.youtube.com/c/RichardPerkinsofRidgedale/• GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org• SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry• FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram• FUNDING FOR EUROPEAN PROJECTS https://explore.ecosia.org/regenerative-agriculture

Today we continue investigating Syntropic Farming with Daniel from the Mata do Lobo farm in Brasil. In the past 4 years, they have been working solutions to scale these complex agroforestry systems, soon reaching 50ha planted. Daniel and his partner, Maria Vittoria, have accumulated some tremendous experience as they build one of the most innovative coffee plantations out there. In this episode, you will find out what is the difference between the health and quality of agroforestry coffee and conventional coffee. You will also understand how they are striking a balance between efficiency and complexity - in order to integrate the principles of Syntropic whilst managing these systems at scale. This was a highly practical conversation, inspired by the questions we received from our listeners on social media. We hope you enjoy! TABLE OF CONTENTS03:47 Daniel’s story12:35 Objective of the agroforestry plot  16:01 How do you manage inputs? 20:02 What makes Syntropic less input intensive? 22:39 What does the agroforestry produce? 31:09 How much diversity is integrated to the coffee crop? 35:51 How is the coffee crop responding to the Syntropic system? 41:46 How are coffee yields expected to perform in comparison to conventional?    45:41 How did he plant so many trees effectively?  51:01 How many people working on the agroforestry system? 55:23 How do you manage so much biomass? 01:07:26 What harvesting process for coffee? 01:12:16 What potential of mechanisation for Syntropic systems? 01:14:57 What commercialisation strategy? 01:19:44 Is he planning a processing facility? 01:21:48 Could Syntropic systems work in a European context?  01:24:08 Where does he get knowledge from?  • RESOURCEShttps://www.instagram.com/matadolobo/?hl=en• GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org• SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry• FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram• FUNDING FOR EUROPEAN PROJECTS https://explore.ecosia.org/regenerative-agriculture

David Brass is the CEO of the Lakes Free range egg company. Almost 30 years ago he started planting trees in the fields to encourage his laying hens to go and range. Since then, he has been busy planting trees throughout his supply chain. With about 70 farmers and 2 million birds supplying eggs to his company today, this is an example of agroforestry working at scale. The interview brings forward both practical considerations for the layout and maintenance of trees, and explains how they have managed to onboard their suppliers. David is enthusiastic about the numerous benefits trees have bought, carefully documented with various studies. He is convincd that there is a very clear case for integrating trees in all poultry production with very limited trade-offs. TABLE OF CONTENTS02:05 Story and overview of the company 04:08 Bringing trees onto the farm 10:14 Current design12:16 Potential to add a perennial production? 16:51 Is it realistic to incorporate trees as part of the feed? 18:06 What does it mean practically for a poultry farmer to intergrate trees? 22:35 How are the tree plantations evolving? 27:12 Scaling tree plantations within their suppliers 30:58 Funding 34:34 Trees and animal welfare 37:00 Impact of tree planting on profitability. 39:49 Initial reluctance of some farmers 42:34 Is the agroforestry approach something that is valued by your customers? 44:18 the numerous  benefits of planting trees46:15 Do you see payment for ecosystem services as part of your model. 50:21 Supply chain requirements are driving change 54:52 Impact of tree planting on biodiversity  • RESOURCEShttps://lakesfreerange.co.uk/https://www.facebook.com/lakesfreerange/https://www.farmtreestoair.ceh.ac.uk/ART• GET IN TOUCH www.regenerativeagroforestry.org• SUPPORT US www.gumroad.com/regenagroforestry• FOLLOW US on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram• FUNDING FOR EUROPEAN PROJECTS https://explore.ecosia.org/regenerative-agriculture