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UNLOCKED: Aftershow 7: Germany, Identity, Palestine (pt 2)
An episode from last year, from my patreon exclusive series, The Aftershow.
Unlocked extended episode for the main feed, as sadly it still remains very relevant.
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Join us for part 2 of this Panel on wtf is going on in Germany. My German guests include Ilyas who is a German Muslim, Claus is a German who was raised with very right-wing views but has since shed them, and we also have John who has a Master’s degree in German Studies and lived there as an exchange student.
We discuss aspects of German identity, history, nationalism and the thinking behind some of the blind and bizarre support we see for Israel, the stifling of pro-Palestinian views - especially in the arts, the treatment of left leaning Jewish people who are critical of Israel, the Herero & Nama genocide, the ICJ, ex-muslims & ‘liberal’ Muslims in Germany becoming tools of the right, & more.
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All guests on the Aftershow are Patrons of the Polite Conversations. Truly amazing to get to chat with fascinating patrons of the show from all around the world.
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Links:
Masha Gessen: Hannah Arendt would not qualify for the Hannah Arendt prize in Germany today https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/18/hannah-arendt-prize-masha-gessen-israel-gaza-essay
Masha Gessen: In the Shadow of the Holocaust https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-weekend-essay/in-the-shadow-of-the-holocaust
Germany Officially Recognizes It Committed Genocide In Present-Day Namibia https://www.npr.org/2021/05/28/1001233776/germany-officially-recognizes-it-committed-genocide-in-present-day-namibia
Germany Is Known for Its Heavily Funded, Thriving Art Scene. But a Slew of Cancellations Is Threatening That Reputation: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/germany-cancellations-2407316
On Adam Bromberg: Germany is Criminalising Palestinian Solidarity https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/06/germany-is-criminalising-palestinian-solidarity
German official targets Jewish artist over alleged anti-Semitism for criticising Israel Occupation https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230202-german-official-targets-jewish-artist-over-alleged-anti-semitism-for-criticising-israel-occupation/
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UNLOCKED (Full Ep): Fashademics 2 - Haidters Gonna Haidt (Pt 2)
01:09:55|This episode has been unlocked, as promised!This is pt 2 of a 2-part Episode, pls check out pt 1 first.———Linguist Dr. Caitlin Green joins me to explore the views and positions of one Jonathan Haidt. We talk IDW/Heterodox stuff, anti-anti racism, transphobia, reactionary centrism, race ‘science’ and mentions in the Epstein files.If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos and unlock ad-free extended episodes! ***Polite Conversations is a member of Harbinger Media - subscribe to their weekly newsletter for the latest in new episodes from left & progressive Canadian podcasts via harbingermedianetwork.com ***LinksFind Caitlin & Trent’s podcast, ‘Half the Answer’ here: https://youtu.be/LFeIRhvEZns?si=L7aDdg4sMGjZ5rKJHaidt stands with Israel: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/1711051817499472328?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwHaidt blames intersectionality for anti-Israel sentiment: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/1712641827528909266?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwUsing Grok CSAM scandal to push for more social media bans instead of accountability: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/2010345277564334482?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwHaidt’ S Edge.org piece from 2009: Faster Evolution Means More Ethnic Differences https://www.edge.org/response-detail/10376Kristen Bell Says She and Dax Shepard Let Their Daughters Roam a Danish Amusement Park Alone: 'Didn't See Them for 7 Hours' https://people.com/kristen-bell-says-she-let-kids-roam-danish-amusement-park-alone-8716121Ezra Klein interview with Haidt: https://youtu.be/RN2GhPal4qA?si=7XY7TFNrf3EAzArdHaidt Crimes: On Moral Foundations Theory and the Normalization of Fascismhttps://www.theflytrapmedia.com/haidt-crimes-on-moral-foundations-theory-and-the-normalization-of-fascism-christian-nationalism/Thread re: Greenblatt’s awkward intvw with a white identitarian https://bsky.app/profile/nicemangos.bsky.social/post/3m23otynuc22nIf you enjoyed this episode, check out the 2-Part ep on Pinker: Pt 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5UMuX2BkACiuPIhsPKIB5a?si=Ty4Wcd25RQG0hydlTsjR6g(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-81-pinkers-pt-107973413?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkPt 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LmIYPtWutuaAkD57GCxy7?si=-64nSgmQS-O6tvZMH4c4qg(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-81-pinkers-pt-107973853?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkAnd the episode on Richard Dawkins: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1uSIJRoF9LxkkNtRYBZvRV?si=sOxTysnMSnWYcPGbz-UHGw(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-76-dawkins-101893054?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
UNLOCKED (Full Ep): Fashademics 2 - Haidters Gonna Haidt (Pt 1)
01:14:26|[This episode of Fashademics has now been unlocked as promised!] Linguist Dr. Caitlin Green joins me to explore the views and positions of one Jonathan Haidt. We talk IDW/Heterodox stuff, anti-anti racism, transphobia, reactionary centrism, race ‘science’ and mentions in the Epstein files.If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos and unlock ad-free extended episodes! ***Polite Conversations is a member of Harbinger Media - subscribe to their weekly newsletter for the latest in new episodes from left & progressive Canadian podcasts via harbingermedianetwork.com ***LinksFind Caitlin & Trent’s podcast, ‘Half the Answer’ here: https://youtu.be/LFeIRhvEZns?si=L7aDdg4sMGjZ5rKJHaidt stands with Israel: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/1711051817499472328?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwHaidt blames intersectionality for anti-Israel sentiment: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/1712641827528909266?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwUsing Grok CSAM scandal to push for more social media bans instead of accountability: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/2010345277564334482?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwHaidt’s Edge.org piece from 2009: Faster Evolution Means More Ethnic Differences https://www.edge.org/response-detail/10376Kristen Bell Says She and Dax Shepard Let Their Daughters Roam a Danish Amusement Park Alone: 'Didn't See Them for 7 Hours' https://people.com/kristen-bell-says-she-let-kids-roam-danish-amusement-park-alone-8716121Ezra Klein interview with Haidt: https://youtu.be/RN2GhPal4qA?si=7XY7TFNrf3EAzArdHaidt Crimes: On Moral Foundations Theory and the Normalization of Fascismhttps://www.theflytrapmedia.com/haidt-crimes-on-moral-foundations-theory-and-the-normalization-of-fascism-christian-nationalism/Thread re: Greenblatt’s awkward intvw with a white identitarian https://bsky.app/profile/nicemangos.bsky.social/post/3m23otynuc22nIf you enjoyed this episode, check out the 2-Part ep on Pinker: Pt 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5UMuX2BkACiuPIhsPKIB5a?si=Ty4Wcd25RQG0hydlTsjR6g(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-81-pinkers-pt-107973413?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkPt 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LmIYPtWutuaAkD57GCxy7?si=-64nSgmQS-O6tvZMH4c4qg(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-81-pinkers-pt-107973853?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkAnd the episode on Richard Dawkins: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1uSIJRoF9LxkkNtRYBZvRV?si=sOxTysnMSnWYcPGbz-UHGw(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-76-dawkins-101893054?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Ep 105 - Mapping the Manosphere (pt 2)
44:59|This is pt 2 of a 2 part episode. Check out pt 1 first:Public version:https://open.spotify.com/episode/4PlQNmDGLZImSzBWe5Szu7?si=31WFEq7zSnSrZspO1AeO0wExtended Patreon Version: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-105-mapping-1-152979500?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link———Dr. David S. Smith joins me for an in-depth conversation about the manosphere & inceldom. We discuss different subgroups in the manosphere, (Incels [Involuntary Celibates]. MGTOWs [Men Going Their Own Way], MRAs [Men’s Rights Activists]), incel terminology (Red/Blue/Black pill, Trucels, etc) and more.We also discuss how these online subcultures are relevant to what we see in the news today (ICE/IDF) as well as how manosphere talking points have been normalized by IDW ‘intellectuals’.If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangosFind the extended version of this episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/152983072Find Dr. David Smith’s book - The Incel Mindset here (or request it through your library): https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-032-16385-1Read more of his findings here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10714421.2024.2383814Links:On Alana’s Involuntary Celibacy Project https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45284455Eliot Rodger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_RodgerJordan Peterson Enforced Monogamy - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.htmlArchived version: https://archive.ph/iL02iHere’s an episode I did in 2018 on the Manosphere with Kevin Logan and a former MGTOW/MRA (pt 1): https://open.spotify.com/episode/25Gd8OXb5It3S87XsQilve?si=Rzw_wK1WQ9yFWxajegVQ2g(pt 2) : https://open.spotify.com/episode/55gpE6KXENaOGbjX3IGVxE?si=kdMPyTilRbuY61HEML4-FgThe popular Evopsych episode came up in this episode too. Find it here: (pt 1) https://open.spotify.com/episode/4jSFhcmT6xNJ4JOwbEkscE?si=sBz3iCdPRZKi3aFQZXwDxQ(Pt 2) : https://open.spotify.com/episode/5gvuP3xLyqKSpJgTjf43A3?si=dFCP469jQwyM4otX24URBQ
Ep 105 - Mapping the Manosphere (pt 1)
46:32|Dr. David S. Smith joins me for an in-depth conversation about the manosphere & inceldom. We discuss different subgroups in the manosphere, (Incels [Involuntary Celibates]. MGTOWs [Men Going Their Own Way], MRAs [Men’s Rights Activists]), incel terminology (Red/Blue/Black pill, Trucels, etc) and more.We also discuss how these online subcultures are relevant to what we see in the news today (ICE/IDF) as well as how manosphere talking points have been normalized by IDW ‘intellectuals’.If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos Find the extended version of the episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-105-mapping-1-152979500Find Dr. David Smith’s book - The Incel Mindset here (or request it through your library): https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-032-16385-1Read more of his findings here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10714421.2024.2383814Links:On Alana’s Involuntary Celibacy Project https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45284455Eliot Rodger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_RodgerJordan Peterson Enforced Monogamy - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.htmlArchived version: https://archive.ph/iL02iHere’s an episode I did in 2018 on the Manosphere with Kevin Logan and a former MGTOW/MRA (pt 1): https://open.spotify.com/episode/25Gd8OXb5It3S87XsQilve?si=Rzw_wK1WQ9yFWxajegVQ2g(pt 2) : https://open.spotify.com/episode/55gpE6KXENaOGbjX3IGVxE?si=kdMPyTilRbuY61HEML4-FgThe popular Evopsych episode came up in this episode too. Find it here: (pt 1) https://open.spotify.com/episode/4jSFhcmT6xNJ4JOwbEkscE?si=sBz3iCdPRZKi3aFQZXwDxQ(Pt 2) : https://open.spotify.com/episode/5gvuP3xLyqKSpJgTjf43A3?si=dFCP469jQwyM4otX24URBQ
SAMPLE: “Anti woke” Death & Destruction - Brought to you by USrael
06:33|Find the extended version here https://www.patreon.com/posts/extended-anti-to-152314703?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Re-release: B0ners for B0mbs
45:06|Join me for an episode about how obscene the casual celebration of violence towards Iran, Gaza, Muslims in general has been lately (shockingly, Sam Harris comes up). [This is a RE-RELEASE of an episode from July 2025, when the US & Israel were engaged in the same sort of thing we're seeing today. Still very relevant today sadly.]Find the extended version via patreon.com/nicemangosLinks:Near Identical statements from Canada, UK, Aus https://x.com/dropsitenews/status/1936892596678197535?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwSpeaking in tongues at the White House: https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1937134487852503137?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwIsrael places its military HQ's in civilian neighbourhoods and towns: https://x.com/tparsi/status/1935733115114127475?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwNo proof of a systematic effort to move into a nuclear weapon” Director Gen of the IAEA https://x.com/amanpour/status/1935095391109922822?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqwclips of Netenyahu claiming Iran has been ‘weeks away’ from nukes for the last 30 years: https://x.com/deanobeidallah/status/1935141637660774892?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwGuardian piece on Iran, referenced in the episode https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/22/the-guardian-view-on-trump-bombing-iran-an-and-reckless-actNetenyahu talks of having to delay his son’s wedding https://bsky.app/profile/antizionistjew.bsky.social/post/3lrxppo3qkc2aBBC Journalist tweets ‘Bomb, Bomb Iran’ https://x.com/indiawilloughby/status/1936815923245265297?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwUS strikes fail to destroy Iran’s nuclear siteshttps://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-announces-israel-iran-ceasefire-2025-06-23/Ben Gvir ‘Those who bomb hospitals are Nazis’ https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1935700095791513697?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwResearch finds the BBC coverage of Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza is systematically biased against Palestinians and fails to reach standards of impartiality. https://novaramedia.com/2025/06/16/bbc-systematically-biased-against-palestinians-in-gaza-coverage/
Fashademics 2 - Haidters Gonna Haidt (pt 2)
45:55|This is pt 2 of a 2-part episode, if you haven’t checked out pt 1 yet you can find it here:https://open.spotify.com/episode/5yOQT2njL0E7KUXH17SE15?si=yDaT23xvSMeksbbzM9-9jQfind the extended version here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/fashademics-2-pt-151478512?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link———Linguist Dr. Caitlin Green joins me to explore the views and positions of one Jonathan Haidt. We talk IDW/Heterodox stuff, anti-anti racism, transphobia, reactionary centrism, race ‘science’ and mentions in the Epstein files.If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos and unlock ad-free extended episodes! Both parts 1 & 2 of this ep are up early for patrons***Polite Conversations is a member of Harbinger Media - subscribe to their weekly newsletter for the latest in new episodes from left & progressive Canadian podcasts via harbingermedianetwork.com ***LinksFind Caitlin & Trent’s podcast, ‘Half the Answer’ here: https://youtu.be/LFeIRhvEZns?si=L7aDdg4sMGjZ5rKJHaidt stands with Israel: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/1711051817499472328?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwHaidt blames intersectionality for anti-Israel sentiment: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/1712641827528909266?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwUsing Grok CSAM scandal to push for more social media bans instead of accountability: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/2010345277564334482?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwHaidt’ S Edge.org piece from 2009: Faster Evolution Means More Ethnic Differences https://www.edge.org/response-detail/10376Kristen Bell Says She and Dax Shepard Let Their Daughters Roam a Danish Amusement Park Alone: 'Didn't See Them for 7 Hours' https://people.com/kristen-bell-says-she-let-kids-roam-danish-amusement-park-alone-8716121Ezra Klein interview with Haidt: https://youtu.be/RN2GhPal4qA?si=7XY7TFNrf3EAzArdHaidt Crimes: On Moral Foundations Theory and the Normalization of Fascismhttps://www.theflytrapmedia.com/haidt-crimes-on-moral-foundations-theory-and-the-normalization-of-fascism-christian-nationalism/Thread re: Greenblatt’s awkward intvw with a white identitarian https://bsky.app/profile/nicemangos.bsky.social/post/3m23otynuc22nIf you enjoy this episode, check out the 2-Part ep on Pinker: Pt 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5UMuX2BkACiuPIhsPKIB5a?si=Ty4Wcd25RQG0hydlTsjR6g(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-81-pinkers-pt-107973413?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkPt 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LmIYPtWutuaAkD57GCxy7?si=-64nSgmQS-O6tvZMH4c4qg(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-81-pinkers-pt-107973853?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkAnd the episode on Richard Dawkins: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1uSIJRoF9LxkkNtRYBZvRV?si=sOxTysnMSnWYcPGbz-UHGw(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-76-dawkins-101893054?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Fashademics 2 - Haidters Gonna Haidt (pt 1)
49:50|Linguist Dr. Caitlin Green joins me to explore the views and positions of one Jonathan Haidt. We talk IDW/Heterodox stuff, anti-anti racism, transphobia, reactionary centrism, race ‘science’ and mentions in the Epstein files.If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos and unlock ad-free extended episodes! Both parts 1 & 2 of this ep are up early for patrons***Polite Conversations is a member of Harbinger Media - subscribe to their weekly newsletter for the latest in new episodes from left & progressive Canadian podcasts via harbingermedianetwork.com ***LinksFind Caitlin & Trent’s podcast, ‘Half the Answer’ here: https://youtu.be/LFeIRhvEZns?si=L7aDdg4sMGjZ5rKJHaidt stands with Israel: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/1711051817499472328?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwHaidt blames intersectionality for anti-Israel sentiment: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/1712641827528909266?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwUsing Grok CSAM scandal to push for more social media bans instead of accountability: https://x.com/jonhaidt/status/2010345277564334482?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50LqwHaidt’ S Edge.org piece from 2009: Faster Evolution Means More Ethnic Differences https://www.edge.org/response-detail/10376Kristen Bell Says She and Dax Shepard Let Their Daughters Roam a Danish Amusement Park Alone: 'Didn't See Them for 7 Hours' https://people.com/kristen-bell-says-she-let-kids-roam-danish-amusement-park-alone-8716121Ezra Klein interview with Haidt: https://youtu.be/RN2GhPal4qA?si=7XY7TFNrf3EAzArdHaidt Crimes: On Moral Foundations Theory and the Normalization of Fascismhttps://www.theflytrapmedia.com/haidt-crimes-on-moral-foundations-theory-and-the-normalization-of-fascism-christian-nationalism/Thread re: Greenblatt’s awkward intvw with a white identitarian https://bsky.app/profile/nicemangos.bsky.social/post/3m23otynuc22nIf you enjoy this episode, check out the 2-Part ep on Pinker: Pt 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5UMuX2BkACiuPIhsPKIB5a?si=Ty4Wcd25RQG0hydlTsjR6g(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-81-pinkers-pt-107973413?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkPt 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LmIYPtWutuaAkD57GCxy7?si=-64nSgmQS-O6tvZMH4c4qg(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-81-pinkers-pt-107973853?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkAnd the episode on Richard Dawkins: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1uSIJRoF9LxkkNtRYBZvRV?si=sOxTysnMSnWYcPGbz-UHGw(Ad free Patreon version):https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-76-dawkins-101893054?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
CLIP: The Podcast Administration
06:17|A clip from my 3-Part Charlie Kirk series: MAGA Martyrdom & The Holy WarFind the public episodes here:Pt 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1WDrtiDnrtcJTemVw79ugr?si=wlYaPzAHSGOgh0he4GB4pQPt 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/00nHMKH8HRZa0oOU7z4vSP?si=YCjJC-5sT5GevaqhiPqR8wPt 3: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5HbuIoaXqLmNpUo8449PWX?si=Rj9sTLdOThmaBr4WeJNEIwAnd the Extended versions via Patreon:Pt 1: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-101-maga-holy-140530322?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkPt 2: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-101-maga-holy-141151908Pt 3: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-101-maga-holy-142108786?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link