Paul Maleary's Ex-Job Downloaded Podcast

Part 2Tony undertakes training including a course at Aldermaston to find “Dirty Bombs” during a search exercise at Lippitts Hill he encountered the SAS. We discuss the “Foxtrot 11” and the formation of D11, the specialist firearms team.During his time Tony witnesses a number of incidents that have been recorded in the annals of history for the metropolitan police. Including the shooting of an officer by a cross dressing burglary suspect called David Martin . The arrest of this man resulted in 2 officers being charged with attempted murder. The officers were subsequently found not guilty.Tony became an instructor and was part of Blue team and would assist in the instruction of officers who were authorised shots for the force. As part of “Blue team” Tony was deployed to St James Square following the murder of Yvonne Fletcher. He talks of the time spent with the SAS and how he sketched cartoons for the staff involved in the containment.His first shooting was in 1985 at a domestic siege where the suspect survived and faced trial at the old bailey. 18 months later he was called the Equalizer by the Sun. Tony had been deployed to a potential armed robbery. The robbery took place and Tony deployed from an observation vehicle. He and his colleagues confronted the suspects at an abattoir. The suspects turned, presented their weapons and believing that he was in immediate danger Tony opened fire and shot 3 suspects. 2 of them died at the scene. The 3rd man survived.The senior management were more concerned about the ethnicity of the suspects than the welfare of the officers involved.

Tony Long – Tony was educated at a private school, where his early days were filled with rigorous routines and the exploration of his passions, particularly for guns and the great outdoors. The smell of freshly polished shoes and the satisfaction of a well-made bed became the backdrop for his childhood, instilling a sense of discipline that would serve him well in his future career. By the age of 18½, when he joined the police force, navigating the complexities of law enforcement felt like a natural progression for him.Tony's first posting following training took him to Lewisham, an area alive with the vibrant pulse of London life. Even though he hailed from the serene surroundings of Sussex, he was well-acquainted with the city, his heart often drawn to its bustling streets thanks to family ties. His transition into adulthood was marked dramatically when he married his girlfriend, who was pregnant, and by the tender age of 19½, he found himself a proud father to a baby girl. This new chapter in his life brought a mix of joy and responsibility, shaping his worldview and fueling his determination to protect and serve.As Tony progressed from street duties to the SPG (Special Patrol Group), he encountered a period shadowed by the tragic events surrounding Blair Peach. The haunting memories of that time lingered, shaping the reputation of the SPG and the public’s perception of police. When he first stepped into the chaos of the 1981 Riots, he quickly realized that the streets were not just a backdrop for his duties; they were a living, breathing tapestry of human emotion and conflict. It was during this tumultuous time that he acquired his first “Nato British Army Riot Helmet,” a heavy piece of equipment that now sat as a stark reminder of the turmoil that often accompanied his role.Reflecting on the modern police service, Tony holds a nuanced view. He expresses admiration for the officers on the front lines, who now face scrutiny from “Auditors” and “Activists” in a society where every action is documented and dissected. He recalls the halcyon days of policing, a time when officers donned tunics, and the public interaction felt more personal, devoid of the ever-watchful eyes of cameras. It was a simpler time when a handshake could seal a deal and a friendly nod could disarm potential conflict.Despite an increase in population—from 27,000 officers in London in 1975 to only 30,000 today—Tony notes a concerning decline in civilian support. This paradox of fewer officers for a growing city weighs heavily on his mind, as he understands the challenges posed by this reality. The streets are now busier, and the complexity of policing has transformed dramatically, necessitating a shift in how officers approach their duties.Tony's introduction to firearms was unexpected, sparked by the urgency of an arrest before his duty shift even began. On just his second day, he was thrust into a high-stakes situation, tasked with apprehending a suspect accused of stabbing an officer. Returning to Lewisham with a team of officers, he felt the palpable tension in the air; his interactions with the public along New Cross Road starkly contrasted his earlier days patrolling the beat, each encounter underscoring the turbulence of the times.His basic firearms course, spanning five days, became a crash course in both skill and strategy. Four days were devoted to honing marksmanship on the range, while the final day opened the door to tactics that would guide him through potentially perilous situations. Through it all, he remained committed to his mission, embodying the spirit of a protector in a world that increasingly demanded vigilance and resilience.

Steve Reynolds joined Essex Police Cadets in 1971, a youthful aspirant with dreams of serving his community and upholding justice. The experience was transformative, igniting a passion that would fuel his career for decades. In September 1974, he stepped into the role of a regular constable, ready to take on the challenges of policing. By 1976, Steve's diligence paid off when he took and passed his Sergeants exam. Just months later, he faced the inspectors exam, his heart pounding as he tackled yet another hurdle. With remarkable determination, he emerged victorious in both examinations, becoming a qualified sergeant and inspector before he even turned 22. This achievement was not just a personal milestone; it was a testament to Steve’s unwavering commitment and exceptional capabilities.Steve's first posting in the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) was at Rayleigh, a place where he would encounter a group of superb characters—experienced detectives who were consummate professionals. He fondly remembers his initiation into the CID, the adrenaline rush of dealing with his first suspect, and the camaraderie that flourished amidst the seriousness of their work. In May 1980, he was promoted to a substantive Detective Sergeant and assigned to South Ockendon. There, he was given collar number 321, a digit that would earn him the affectionate nickname "Dusty." Under the mentorship of DCI Fred Stanard, Steve found himself in an environment where humor was as sharp as the investigations they pursued. The opportunity to further his career arose when Peter Blyth, the Divisional Commander, encouraged Steve to apply for a uniform inspector’s role at Grays. With a mix of excitement and trepidation, he submitted his application, and after a rigorous selection process, he was thrilled to find out he was successful. His tenure as an Inspector lasted a year, but it laid the groundwork for his next significant challenge: joining C11 at Scotland Yard in 1986. There, Steve became part of a diverse team from across the region, working together to develop crucial intelligence that would be funneled to enforcement teams. After two intense years, he returned to Essex, filled with pride at having the opportunity to serve as a Detective Inspector in his hometown of Southend, where he could give back to the community that had raised him.In a harrowing twist of fate, Steve was called to investigate a missing persons inquiry in the Philippines involving a woman named China Rose Simms. The case was shrouded in mystery, enveloping him in a world of uncertainty, as neither she nor her husband had ever been located. The late 90s brought about a poignant moment when Steve had the rare opportunity to meet Jill Dando, a beloved BBC anchor. He recalls their interactions vividly, a mixture of admiration and respect shared over aspirations and plans for the future—plans that were tragically cut short by her untimely murder. One of the most challenging cases he faced was the murder of Chris Castle, an event that would test his resolve as the Senior Investigating Officer (SIO). The crime was committed by members of the extreme right-wing group Combat 18, a grim reflection of the societal issues that plagued that era. Drawing from his extensive experience, Steve penned a book titled "The Met On Trial," which explores the investigation following the fatal shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes. In this work, he reflects on a career marked by both triumphs and tragedies, illuminating the complexities of policing in a modern society. Through storytelling, he aims to provide insight into the human experiences behind the badge, a narrative that resonates not just with fellow officers but with anyone who has grappled with the moral dilemmas of justice and accountability.

This episode is brought to you by LIFESAFE Technologies Stay safe "All In 1" Fire extinguisher. Click on the link and your discount will be appliedWill Blackburn resides in Poland. He is a former Royal Military Police Reserve. He started in the London Regiment and decided to cross over to the RMP TA at Brixton. In 2003 the war in Iraq meant that his unit was mobilised to Op Telic 3 and served there for 6 months. The tour that he went on was immediately after 6 members of 156 Provost Company were killed.He did his basic training took place at Pirbright which had been a guard’s depot. All elements of the TA attended this centre so Will got to meet members from other regiments. Basic training changed over time to make them battle ready. This training gave him good grounding for his work in Ukraine.We discuss recruitment within the armed forces and the demise of recruitment by outsourcing to private companies.Will went to Chilwell to prepare for deployment to Iraq and was then bussed to Germany to wait for transport to Iraq. As they waited, they were given additional training in driving and weapons handling which will found invaluable. Will and his colleagues took a direct flight in a military chartered aircraft to Basra. Being part of Rover Group meant that Will operated as an escort and driver. Will recalls incidents where there was contact with the enemy. We discuss fatalities and Op Minimise and the fall of Nasaria. As the fall took place Will was told that the was likely to be held back and the demob date was on hold. However, this changed position changed ad having been de-kitted he was placed on an aircraft and flew back to Cyprus and then to Brize Norton in the UK. He was transported back by bus to Nottingham and sent home! He arrived back to Paddington wearing his desert combats and having to prepare adjusting back to civvie street without any decompression. Will found the transition difficult and this took several months before life normalised.In later year Will met and married his wife who is Polish. They relocated from the UK to northern Poland. At the commencement of the Ukraine Russia war there was a drive to find military equipment. Utilising the website army rumour service www.arrse.co.uk by the end of 2022 Will was invited to take part in the convoy to the frontline hand delivering much needed supplies to the troops. He has been to the Donbas and other areas that have been ravaged by war.He spent time with the fighting drone unit. The skills displayed are incredible. At one point he was 3k from the zero line. Will has become an author and describes his experiences in his book The War Next Door. https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-...Just Giving page https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfundi...

This episode is brought to you by LIFESAFE Technologies Stay safe "All In 1" Fire extinguisher. Click on the link and your discount will be appliedJohn Bateman is a former member of Hertfordshire Police and prior to joining he was a merchant seaman and served as a navigator. He undertook this role before GPS and computers steered these sea going vessels.Using a sextant and understanding the old techniques John successfully guided his vessels around the world. John chose to follow his father’s footsteps by joining Hertfordshire.His initial training took place at Ashford Police Training School and enjoyed his time there but found it frustrating as he had held responsibility in the navy, and this didn’t seem to count in his training. His first posting was St Albans and vividly remembers foot patrol including the call sign Foxtrot 101.John progressed to CID and worked on a variety of cases including the Patrick Hurling murder in Hertford on 1st Dec 1990. This case remains unsolved. In 1992 he was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis his diagnosis came after he had collision in a Police vehicle. John had unusual symptoms, and the doctors announced that he had this debilitating illness.In 1994 John left the job and went into private industry. He went to work at a private detective agency working with Roger Pritchard.John is on the board of the IPI – Institute of Professional Investigators www.ipi.org.uk and endeavours to ensure that investigators have credibility and integrity.

This episode is brought to you by LIFESAFE Technologies Stay safe "All In 1" Fire extinguisher. Click on the link and your discount will be applied Kevin's inspiration to join the Police was prompted by a robbery where at the age of 14 he was held at knifepoint and his pedal cycle was stolen. He went on to see the suspect in a local park on the stolen bike. The police were contacted and when they arrived, they arrested the suspect and seized the bike. The rest as they say is history.Kevin was 20 when he joined the Metropolitan Police, and the year was 1983. His service commenced in Edmonton and after 6 years transferred to King Cross. This area was not the affluent location that it is now!The Harrods Bombing, The murder of Yvonne Fletcher and the Broadwater farm riots took place in his early years in the job. Kevin describes the significant events and the Tottenham riots in particular; he was patrolling Southgate when he was told to return to base pick up his public order kit and travel to the infamous Broadwater Farm.Kevin's love for cars help directed him to the stolen vehicle squad. It was during this time that he honed his skills as an investigator. He went on to lead a team at Kings Cross and headed missing persons enquires. One such was Paula Field, Her body was found minus its identifying features in a holdall in the canal at Camden.  He was invited to apply for the role in SO10 which specialised in undercover deployments and stayed in the role for 8 years. He found the role particularly political, and we discuss the issues in managing undercovers and the associated issues. During his time he became a hostage negotiator and recalls vividly the kidnap of a 10 year old boy.He concluded his services a s Chief Superintendent and was an operational lead during the 2021 Olympics .A memorable day during his service was the nail bombing in Old Compton Street at the Admiral Duncan Pub. He talks about a member of the public Named David Morley who had been injured in the explosion. This mans nickname was Cinders. He survived the bombing and was a very kind individual. A few years later Mr Morley was murdered on the South Bank by a group of youths.Since leaving the Police Kevin has been behind the television shows “The Hunted” and “The Heist” He is now a published author and his book “Where The Evidence Takes Us”  Is available from all good book sellers. John Sutherland and Adam Kay were inspirations and John has written has written a recommendation. 

Contains Distressing ContentScott Joined the Police in 1995. He had been a professional footballer, and his selection process was extremely smooth! He had played for Alloa Athletic and Scotland under 16 and played against Saudi Arabia in the Youth World Cup Final alongside Paul Dickov .Prior to joining the police Scott worked in the travel industry. His first day at training school wasn’t the best start. He had been told to wear casual clothing. However, the drill sergeant had other ideas and a public telling off and was one of a handful who had to put their uniform on in the car park! He has fond memories of his time in training school and it was a platform that served him well throughout his career. His conclusion of training he went to his force for local procedure. On his first day, as he sat in the canteen, he was informed that there had been a shooting at Dunblane primary school. Along with his young colleagues he was dispatched to the school and was placed on scene preservation and to prevent the press and parents from entering the area. He saw the aftermath of the shooting and he describes his experiences as unforgettable. His first week became even more memorable when he broke the wrist of a suspect who he had handcuffed.Scott served at the Court in Holland where the Lockerbie Suspects were tried. This experience was carried out in the spotlight of the worlds press. The camp was in lockdown at night and the staff worked hard and played hard. Scott discovered a liking for firearms and undertook the tough process to qualify. His skills were recognised and he became the Chief Firearms instructor. The success in the work place came at a cost. The impact on his family was such that it put an end to his marriage. His depression was overwhelming but the death by suicide of a friend had a significant impact, and he found that with the support of the PFOA he was able to make the changes he needed to put his life back on track.The motivation to retire from Police Scotland was as a result of the pension changes. He wanted to stay but it became cost prohibitive.Since retirement Scott has been working for a number of different organisations and concentrates on wellbeing and has supported organisations such as PFOA

WARNING - EXTREME CONTENTIf you are effected by this podcast and need help please reach out to one of the brilliant organisations such as Samaritans or PTSD999Mick Baker was born in Kent and from an early age he wanted to join the Army. He went on to become a soldier and joined the Royal Army Medical Corp and went to training in Lichfield. He inadvertently became top recruit due to a negligent discharge by a colleague.He was based in Aldershot and his experience was full on. His medical training set him up for life. He transferred from the RAMC to the Royal Military Police and was immediately posted to Northern Ireland with 176 Provost Comp. At the conclusion of his tour to Northern Ireland he was posted to Colchester to serve 156 Provost Company and the larger-than-life Staff Sgt Sam Appleyard. Having arrived in Colchester he served with Staff Sgt Sam Appleyard and remembers L/Cpl Paul Lon who was killed in action.At the conclusion of his service Mick joined Hertfordshire Police and served in Hitchin and the regime was very structured and standards were very important to him and the rest of the team. During a fit of peak Mick walked away from the job and went travelling !Having run out of money he returned to the UK and whilst driving through Hertfordshire he decided to call into the headquarters and ask for his old job back. Unbelievably they took him back into the fold. Mick thrived on proactive operations and formed a relationship with members of the British Transport Police whilst conducting operations at the local train stations. He transferred to the BTP and started at Kings Cross. As an officer Mick was one of many who dealt people who died by suicide.He recounts a tragic time in Cyprus when he was called to a head on RTC where the occupants of the vehicles were seriously injured and resulted in fatalities. He felt that he had failed at the scene( which he hadn’t). and was advised that he was too emotionally attached to the incident. This advice assisted through his career until the emotional baggage became too overwhelming.Mick was having issues in the workplace that meant he went off sick. He found the senior management of BTP and Occupational Health as being underwhelming. He was accused of working outside of the job and the bullying tactics got the better of him. Mick has now retired and undertakes medical training including FREC 3 training and would welcome a meeting with the senior management from BTP

Born in Islington and lived in 3 rooms with 4 in one bedroom and an outside toilet! His family moved to a home in Hendon and saw the cadets training and this was inspirational to him. However, he joined the army at 16 and became homesick and left. He became a floor layer and earned lot of money,. Sadly he bubble burst during the recession and ended up going bankrupt. This was an initial blocker to joining the police. He was encouraged to join the specials which he enjoyed and once her was eligible he joined the regulars.He was posted to Greenwich where he experienced a variety of jobs and was able to deal with them as the work load wasn't over whelming. He went from there Greenwich to DPG/ Firearms. He was at Cannon Row and covered Number 10 as part of the team. He worked with Keith Palmer who was murdered in the Yard at Parliament.The Thin Blue line badge is a bone of contention and if this is banned then so should everything else, from Pride to Breast cancer badges these should be removed too.During his service Paul found himself in Southwark Crown Court being prosecuted for dangerous driving following an on duty accident. He was found not guilty and the Sgt from traffic took his acquittal personally! the federation reps were outstanding and his legal team Since retirement Paul has become an advocate for individuals who face issues from the IOPC and PSD and is despondent at the crass way in which officers are targeted.Paul now works as a trainer and manages a property that he rents out.