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Gretta Ziller: Americana, Autonomy, and a Dog Named Eleanor Rigby

Ep. 67

Gretta Ziller grew up on a farm in regional Victoria playing violin at three, bagpipes at boarding school, and singing opera at Melbourne Uni — before her sister put on a Garth Brooks album and changed everything. Now she's an Americana artist doing it entirely on her own terms.

In this episode, Gretta breaks down what Americana actually is, why she'd rather sell you a $2 download than earn .003 cents on a Spotify stream, and what it took to co-write a song a week for an entire year.


Oh, and there's a new Chihuahua named Eleanor Rigby.


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