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Beyond the Buzzwords: What “Scale” and "Innovation" Really Means in Housing
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This week Emmy sits down with Adrienne Pacini (Partner, SHS Consulting) and Carolyn Whitzman (Adjunct Professor and Senior Housing Researcher) to explore what it really takes to scale affordable and non-market housing in Canada. From regional portfolio approaches and innovation labs to financing models and data-driven collaboration, this episode dives deep into practicalities and partnerships that can move us from pilot projects to sustained impact and what gives these housing leaders hope for the road ahead.
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Scaling Care Without Losing the Human Touch with Alain Cadieux
35:16|What does tenant experience really mean when you’re responsible for more than 30,000 people? In this episode of On the Way Home, Emmy Kelly sits down with Alain Cadieux, Vice President of Tenant Experience and Quality Assurance at Ottawa Community Housing, to explore how large housing systems can deliver consistent, high-quality, human-centred services at scale. Alain shares how responsible technology and artificial intelligence are reducing administrative burden for staff, improving service quality for tenants, and helping housing systems shift from reactive to proactive, while staying grounded in the human connection at the heart of housing. Here is the link to the report Alain shares will be helpful to listeners who are interested. View here
Towards Housing Justice: A Conversation with Dr. Prentiss Dantzler
36:26|Dr. Prentiss Dantzler is Associate Professor of Sociology and Founding Director of the Housing Justice Lab at the University of Toronto, whose research and advocacy explore the deep structural forces shaping neighbourhood change, racial discrimination, and housing inequity across North America. Dr. Dantzler traces his journey into housing justice, examines how homeownership has evolved into a powerful cultural ethos tied to wealth and mobility, and explains the consequences of relying on asset-based welfare systems. He discusses how discrimination continues to appear in contemporary housing markets, the uneven impacts of displacement on low-income and racialized communities, and the ways residents are reclaiming space through community organizing. He also shares the structural shifts needed to move toward true housing justice and reflects on what gives him hope as the movement grows across cities.
Housing Is Health: What Dunn House Teaches Us About Upstream Care with Dr. Andrew Boozary
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Reimagining Co-op Housing with Heather Tremain
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Building for the Long Term: How Partnerships Power Supportive Housing in Ottawa
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Re-Igniting the Future of Housing: Introducing Ontario’s Affordable Housing Investment Fund
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