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#40 Slipmatt: the rave revolution, hardcore vs jungle, and making an all-time classic
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Slipmatt is one of the most important DJs in the history of dance music. From his first major gig at Raindance in 1989, he came to be known as the Godfather Of Hardcore, becoming synonymous with the genre that typified the UK rave sound in the early 90s. His 'SL2' project, with DJ Lime, yield two top-ten hits including the genre-defining 'On A Ragga Tip' that reached number 2 in the UK singes chart in May 1992.
He was also instrumental in emergence Jungle from the Hardcore scene, and produced classics including 'Hear Me' which typify the linearity between the two genres.
We discuss the pre-acid house period, the game-changing nature of the rave explosion both in music and society, and we get into his personal journey from bedroom producer to Top Of The Pops.
This is a great conversation with a true legend of UK dance music, get involved!
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00:00 Intro
02:00 Episode start
04:55 What “Old School” really means
06:25 The split between Hardcore & Jungle
11:30 Bridging the divide
13:10 Bedroom producer beginnings
17:20 The lost art of studio mentorship
18:40 DJ Culture & skill obsession
24:15 First raves & Acid House reality
26:15 Birth of Raindance
27:40 Illegal → Legal Raves
29:10 Becoming a National DJ
30:40 Independence and management
32:10 The end of Illegal raving
33:10 Rave culture as a social & political movement
35:30 Media & moral panic
37:30 Policing, laws & the Criminal Justice Act Era
41:30 Legacy of early Rave culture
43:30 Personal reflections & looking back
47:00 Clearing samples
50:24 Top of the Pops and meeting Kylie
56:27 The Prodigy
59:31 Rage club and Jungle
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20:22||Season 2, Ep. 38Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingFollowing on from the 'End Of Recorded Music?' episode, this week we take a look at some of the surrounding issues. This is the first time I've done a solo episode speaking to camera and there are some inconsistencies which show up in the audio... check out the video version of this episode on YouTube (or if you're on Spotify then it'll be available here too). --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist