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Classic Episode: Tijana T on music journalism and the politics of dancing
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We've been talking a lot in recent weeks about politics in dance music. Over on the Patreon feed we did a bonus episode covering the debate around private equity in festivals, of which there will be a second part this week. There will be a solo podcast covering all that on the main feed in the next couple of weeks but in the meantime we wanted to return to one of the absolute best episodes we've done, one which covered many of the wider themes that have come to the forefront of the discussion recently, from all the way back in March 2023.
Tijana T is a DJ from Serbia. She's been involved in the scene in Belgrade one way or another since the 90s, a period which for obvious reasons was extremely fraught across the whole region. The discussion covers her wider career, but we spend a lot of time discussing the effect that conflict has on art, and on artists. From a position of direct experience, Tijana speaks with real insight on these topics.
Covering this sort of thing is difficult. Not least because we get blocked from promoting our videos on Youtube when certain topics are even mention. But this is the important stuff that's happening in culture right now, and while tackling anything of it with a degree of nuance is a serious challenge, it's one that we enjoy on this show.
Even if you listened to this episode the first time round we highly recommend giving it another spin. It's highly relevant to what is going on today.
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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.
Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.
Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist
Chapters:
00:00 Intro and how you can support the show
02:32 the problems with music journalism
12:40 privilege in dance music
21:20 developing as an artist in Serbia
33:30 the rave scene in 90s Belgrade
47:10 war in Yugoslavia and the dance scene
56:00 representing Serbia as an artist today
01:06:00 the war in Ukraine and the dance scene
01:22:00 performative activism in music
01:35:00 musical pigeonholing
01:40:30 DJs and personal branding
01:48:30 favourite DJ mixes
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54. #54 Jend: new ways of connecting music to people
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53. #53: How to be a DJ
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52. #52: Did the promise of AI-human hybrids drive the deals for Distrokid and Kobalt?
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50. #50: Dance Music Deserves To Be Destroyed By AI
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49. #49: Thoughts on Trillionaires
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48. #48: I was WRONG about music and corporate money
28:54||Season 2, Ep. 48NEW MERCH STORE: Support the podcast with a purchase from our new line of awesome merch. Tees, hoodies, water bottles... etc! Cheap worldwide shipping!Visit the store here: hotflushrecordings.com/shop--Corporate money is the wellspring of great art... discuss!Also, the demise of Nina, Juno Download, and eventually Subvert. --Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/scubaofficial/sets/not-a-diving-clubYou can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro03:18 Money and art11:04 Downloads are dead23.33 Conclusions
47. #47 Carl Craig: from Motown to Techno via The Electrifying Mojo
01:34:59||Season 2, Ep. 47NEW MERCH STORE: Support the podcast with a purchase from our new line of awesome merch. Tees, hoodies, water bottles... etc! Cheap worldwide shipping!Visit the store here: hotflushrecordings.com/shop--Carl Craig is a producer, DJ, and label owner from Detroit. A feature-length documentary, Desire: The Carl Craig Story, is available to stream now. Listen to the reissue of 'Meditations' LP.We discuss the history of Detroit music, the development of techno, the influence of other areas of popular culture on dance music, and the breadth of his musical experiences from playing guitar in bands as a teenager to being a current artist-in-residence at Michigan State University.This is a conversation with a true legend who does not disappoint! --Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro02:00 The documentary07:15 Judging artists' work14:08 Jungle and the UK rave scene20:29 Breakthrough and early material25:20 Popular culture and dance music31:55 Collaboration and solo work35:48 Bring back guitars41:55 The Electrifying Mojo54:46 Techno and Motown01:01:58 Frankfurt vs Berlin01:08:50 Black music and diversity01:19:47 Artist in residence at MSUFCU