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Margaret Chandra Kerrison's 'The Art of Immersive Storytelling: Strategies from the Gaming World'
Season 1, Ep. 481
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This week we’re joined by Margaret Chandra Kerrison, who is here to talk about her latest book The Art of Immersive Storytelling: Strategies from the Gaming World. Many of you know Margaret from her time with Walt Disney Imagineering where she worked on some projects dear to our hearts like Galaxy’s Edge. These days she is Senior Creative Director for TAIT.
Before we get into the episode — it’s time to break down just who will be joining us at the LOS ANGELES IMMERSIVE INVITATIONAL the first weekend in May.
- The Art of Immersive Storytelling: Strategies from the Gaming World
- The Los Angeles Immersive Invitational
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