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Navigating planets, plays and prejudice — a conversation with Aomawa Shields

In the latest episode of Nature hits the books, astronomer Aomawa Shields discusses her memoir Life on Other Planets: A Memoir of Finding My Place in the Universe.


The book tracks her career path as a scientist and a classically-trained actor, explores her experiences as an African American woman in STEM, and interrogates science’s place in culture — some of the things we discussed in this podcast.


Life on Other Planets: A Memoir of Finding My Place in the Universe Aomawa Shields Constable (2023)

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