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Ep13; The Law Commissions recommendations digested with a difference ft. the wonderful Barrister Andrew Powell and notorious Surrogacy expert and family lawyer, Andrew Spearman.
My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is the UK's leading multi award winning podcast from a non profit UK surrogacy organisation.
Michael and Wes are your hosts, and as parents themselves through surrogacy to two children (Talulah is 7 and Duke is 4) they continue to advocate, campaign and strive to improve the landscape of surrogacy in the UK and globally. Addressing safety, exploitation and educating those about the real truths about safer surrogacy.
Today’s episode takes a light hearted and interesting viewpoint of what can be a monotonous and rather dull topic, especially given the exposure of it this year. I feel like we're all talked out! However, this episode looks into some of the more undiscussed areas of the The Commissions recommendations for future surrogacy laws in the UK. Wes chats to two experts, Andrew Powell, Barrister at 4PB and Andrew Spearman Partner and Head of Family Team at Laytons ETL Global. We explore all the avenues of the bill and ask the question, can we even see this current Conservative government even taking forward the law commissions recommendations?
Our wonderful guests tell us all more about whether they agree with the proposals and what was the most disappointing discovery with the final proposal - listen to find out more.
Guest bios:
Andrew Spearman, Partner and Head of Family Law
Andrew is an experienced family law practitioner with a specialism in Surrogacy & Fertility law and financial disputes on marital breakdown involving company and trust structures. He became a Partner at Laytons in 2019 and is Head of the Family Team, ensuring the highest quality of service and client care for each client. In 2019, he was identified as a Leading Individual by the Legal 500 team for his work in the field of surrogacy law and parenthood. As a consequence of his extensive work, seminars and involvement with surrogacy charities, he is recognised both as a leader in his field and as having an ability to give practical, proportionate solutions to complex problems.
Andrew Powell, Barrister.
Andrew is a family law barrister called to the Bar of England and Wales in 2008 based at 4PB, a leading specialist family law barristers’ chambers based in central London.
He is widely recognised for his expertise in cases concerning children. He is listed in the Legal 500 and Chambers and Partners as a leading barrister and was recently described in Chambers and Partners as having “..an absolutely encyclopaedic knowledge of surrogacy law”.
His practice focuses on parental disputes about arrangements for children after separation, international children law including child abduction, and applications to relocate children to another country. He regularly represents parties in surrogacy, adoption and declaration of parentage cases. He has appeared in some of the leading cases concerning surrogacy and adoption in the High Court.
Andrew was awarded the ‘Family Law Junior Barrister of the Year Award’ in 2021 and has published a book about the legal aspects of surrogacy.
My Surrogacy Journey is a Talulah and The Duke Production and is recorded in London at Outset Studios
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01:42||Season 3, Ep. 11Welcome to My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is the UK's leading multi award winning podcast from a non profit UK surrogacy organisation.Thanks for downloading us again, next week Wes is talking to Leanne and Debbie from MSJ and we're talking about the wonder that is Known Egg Donation. Another fascinating and insightful episode exploring the reasons behind egg donation and the treatment protocols. A wonderful episode if you are considering fertility treatment with egg donation, or perhaps you're wanting to become a known egg donor yourself - this episode is for you. Listen to this brief episode with the full version available next week.Michael and Wes are parents themselves through surrogacy to two children (Talulah is 7 and Duke is 4) they continue to advocate, campaign and strive to improve the landscape of surrogacy in the UK and globally. Addressing safety, exploitation and educating those about the real truths about safer surrogacy. Our season 3 sponsorWe have a fabulous sponsor for our Season 3 podcast. Manchester Fertility were founded in 1985 and has an exceptional team of fertility doctors, nurses, embryologists and patient support staff. Manchester Fertility remains one of the leading fertility clinics in the country to this day, delivering more than 8,000 babies. For intended parents seeking surrogacy support, Manchester Fertility is My Surrogacy Journey’s Northern & Midlands Centre for Excellence, offering surrogacy advice and fertility treatment options for gay, bi, queer and trans men and heterosexual singles and couples, helping them to navigate their way through their surrogacy journey. Make sure you check them out.Don't forget to listen to the full episode next week!Guest Bios;Debbie Evans qualified as an Registered General Nurse in 1985. She specialised for 25+ years on fertility management and previously worked with Herts & Essex Fertility Centre as Director of Nursing & Clinical Services, where she took ownership of the day to day clinical management of the Centre with direct responsibility for 40+ members of staff. Her senior role did not change her approach or work ethos; she is as passionate about patient care as when she first joined the nursing profession. Debbie was a founding member of SING (Senior Infertility Nurse Group) and held the positions of both secretary and Chair. SING was set up to support nurses in the fertility industry by providing peer support, guidance, and encouragement to its members, but it quickly became recognised as a major stakeholder within the industry, providing guidance on policy and practice. Debbie has been working with MSJ since January 2023 joined us as Clinical & Compliance Director.Leanne DrewellLeanne is MSJ's Surrogate and Know Egg Donor Lead and has been employed since 2021. Leanne has also been an egg donor herself multiple times resulting in children being born from her donation. Her invaluable experience means our known egg donors are guided throughout their journey, knowing we have experience of the full processAvailable wherever you get your podcasts. My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is a Talulah and The Duke Production and is recorded in London at Outset Studios10. S3 E10; Immigration when navigating international surrogacy ft. Antonia, Alice and Natalie all from Mischcon De Reya
41:54||Season 3, Ep. 10Welcome to My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is the UK's leading multi award winning podcast from a non profit UK surrogacy organisation.Today Wes is in London studio with our three guests from the prestigious legal firm Mishcon De Reya If you listened to our previous episodes we spoke about surrogacy in the USA, well today's episode is a great addition to that collection. So what should you know, and why is immigration advice so key. Wes is talking to family lawyers, Antonia and Alice and immigration specialist Natalie. Michael and Wes are parents themselves through surrogacy to two children (Talulah is 7 and Duke is 4) they continue to advocate, campaign and strive to improve the landscape of surrogacy in the UK and globally. Addressing safety, exploitation and educating those about the real truths about safer surrogacy. Our season 3 sponsorWe have a fabulous sponsor for our Season 3 podcast. Manchester Fertility were founded in 1985 and has an exceptional team of fertility doctors, nurses, embryologists and patient support staff. Manchester Fertility remains one of the leading fertility clinics in the country to this day, delivering more than 8,000 babies. For intended parents seeking surrogacy support, Manchester Fertility is My Surrogacy Journey’s Northern & Midlands Centre for Excellence, offering surrogacy advice and fertility treatment options for gay, bi, queer and trans men and heterosexual singles and couples, helping them to navigate their way through their surrogacy journey. Make sure you check them out.Thanks for listening! Have you subscribed yet?Available wherever you get your podcasts. My Surrogacy Journey - The Podcast is a Talulah and The Duke Production and is recorded in London at Outset Studios