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Mind of State

The Perilous Path to Asylum

Season 1, Ep. 11

What does our Statue of Liberty stand for when we reject so many asylum seekers fleeing torture, war and persecution? We explore this vital topic with human rights psychologist Dr. Hawthorne “Hawk" Smith, Director of the Bellevue/NYU Program for Survivors of Torture ( / @_PSOT).

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