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A Revolution Needs A Tomorrow
In an age saturated with discourse about apocalypse and the beginning of the end, how do we prepare ourselves for the world we're trying to bring into being? This conversation explores liberation theology, the politics of hope, forgiveness as revolutionary practice and why imagining the day after we win may be one of the most important things we can do right now.
Guest Bio
Jordan Jones is an Associate Pastor at Metro Hope Church in New York City, whose ministry is shaped by abolition, liberation and revolutionary love. He is a writer and faith-based community organiser whose work centres healing, resistance and hope. An Atlanta native, Jordan is a student of the Black Freedom Movement and Latin American liberation theology, learned from organic movement leaders in rural Colombia. He is a proud brother, friend, son and long-time contributor to Skin Deep.
Resources & References
- Fred Moten, Philosopher: "When the way of things gets in the way of things." A Lecture at Cornell University
- Gustavo Gutiérrez, Peruvian philosopher & theologian, considered one of the founders of Latin American liberation theology
- James Cone: Author of 'Black Theology and Black Power’
- Tim LaHaye: Author of ‘'Left Behind' series
- Franny Choi: Poet, 'The World Keeps Ending. The World Goes On.'
Credits
Host & Editorial Lead - Isabella Kajiwara
Producer - Ornella Mutoni
Executive Producer - Sylvia Hong
Guest - Jordan Jones
Editor and Video Engineer - Andrew Shaktah
Development & Research Support - Micha Frazer Carrol
Final Edit Review - Hannah Azuonye
Studio - Podcast House
Link to episode transcript here.
About Making Meaning
Making Meaning is a Skin Deep podcast series emerging from our editorial season on faith. It's a space for people of all faiths and none to think creatively and critically about how faith shows up in how we produce culture, make meaning of our times, and build our movements.
About Skin Deep
Skin Deep is a grassroots organisation that makes culture in service of racial justice and liberation. Working across editorial and events, we produce and facilitate creative work that informs, motivates, and nourishes people in the fight against racial capitalism.
For more information, visit skindeepmag.com.
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