Let's Make This More Interesting

In this bonus episode Adam summarises the key themes and learnings across all the guests from the first season, to make it useful and usable for you.He breaks his conclusions into five sections: 1. The Cost of Dull and the Value of Interesting 2. The Four Kinds of Dull3. Finding the right way to be interesting for you4. Common themes and key ideas across all the guests5. How to use it Read the full transcript of the episode at The Challenger Project.---------Connect with Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-morgan-3a473a/ Follow eatbigfish on Linkedin and Instagram With thanks to our editor Ruth and producer Ross.

Named ‘one of the most 10 influential Brits in Hollywood’ by The Sunday Times, Nick Reed has been a successful Hollywood agent, won an Oscar for a documentary called ‘The Lady in Number 6’, and co-founded the most successful viral content company in the US.In this episode, Nick discusses with Adam what makes something not just more interesting, but interesting enough to share – along with what it’s like to celebrate winning an Oscar with Bill Murray, how to get cast in a Steven Spielberg film, and how to get a Hollywood studio to buy a writer that nobody wants to buy. And at the heart of Nick’s philosophy is what he calls ‘giving up the gold’: giving value to the other person early, without expecting anything in return. A longer episode that ends this first season, we hope you enjoy it.Nick's company - Shareability: https://www.shareability.com/Follow Nick on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-reed-79269731/Watch Nick's Oscar winning film, The Lady in No. 6, here: http://nickreedent.com/---------Connect with Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-morgan-3a473a/ Follow eatbigfish on Linkedin and Instagram With thanks to our editor Ruth and producer Ross.

Powerpoint has become the poster child of Dull – can even this most maligned of mediums really be a tool to be more interesting? Russell Davies not only believes it can, but that it’s the third American art form, along with jazz and hip hop – but only if we think of it and use it in a very different way. It seems such a symbolic flip for the cliché of ‘Death by Powerpoint’, that we’ve given it its own short episode. Here Russell shares his very simple rules for really engaging an audience through Powerpoint.Russell's book: Do Interesting. Notice. Collect. Share.https://thedobook.co/products/do-interesting-notice-collect-share_______Connect with Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-morgan-3a473a/ Follow eatbigfish on Linkedin and Instagram See what’s coming up on the podcast at The Challenger Project With thanks to our editor Ruth and producer Ross.

One of the most stimulating speakers in brands and communications, Russell has been thinking about what it means to be interesting for over 20 years. In his new book Do Interesting – Notice. Collect. Share. Russell has codified the practice he’s used to make the world more interesting to him, and to make himself better positioned to bring interest to whatever topic he finds himself working on, inside and outside the world of brands. In this episode he shares how we can do it easily, too.https://thedobook.co/products/do-interesting-notice-collect-share_______Connect with Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-morgan-3a473a/ Follow eatbigfish on Linkedin and Instagram See what’s coming up on the podcast at The Challenger Project With thanks to our editor Ruth and producer Ross.

While storytelling isn’t the automatic answer to every kind of ‘dull’, if we’re going to learn how to tell more interesting stories we should learn from the best. John Yorke founded the BBC Studio Writer’s Academy after a career that included being Head of Channel4 Drama and Controller of BBC Drama Production, working on and producing some of the world’s most widely viewed and critically acclaimed TV drama, from EastEnders to Shameless, Life on Mars and Wolf Hall. In this episode, he shares with Adam his learnings about how we can all tell a story that will really engage our audience.Read John’s book: Into The Woods: How stories work and why we tell them John’s company and training services: https://www.johnyorkestory.com/_______Connect with Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-morgan-3a473a/ Follow eatbigfish on Linkedin and Instagram See what’s coming up on the podcast at The Challenger Project With thanks to our editor Ruth and producer Ross.

The Squiggly Careers podcast has been hugely influential and useful for anyone interested in Career Development community. In this episode I talk to Sarah Ellis and Helen Tupper, the brilliant pair behind the podcast, the two bestselling books that have come out of it – Squiggly Careers and You Coach You – and the company they have founded, Amazing if.We discuss:How, in looking to throw out the old model of the ‘career ladder’, they arrived at that fascinating idea and language of the ‘squiggle’How they’ve found a much more engaging way to talk to people about confidence issues, and why it worksWhy dullness in large organisations is often a kind of conformityHow to be a ‘helpful rebel’ in big companies if you want to help shake up dull practicesAlong the way, they talk about a fascinating idea: ‘the long aha’ – that realisation that comes to you sometime after an engaging moment in a meeting, prompting you to question something you are doing, when you realise how pervasive that practice and issue has been in your life. As fascinating and useful as you would expect from the inimitable Sarah and Helen.Listen to the Squiggly Careers podcast  Find out more about Amazing If's work Helen and Sarah's books:The Squiggly CareerYou Coach You ________Connect with Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-morgan-3a473a/ Follow eatbigfish on Linkedin and Instagram See what’s coming up on the podcast at The Challenger Project With thanks to our editor Ruth and producer Ross.

In this episode we talk to Professor Arlene Holmes-Henderson, Professor of Classics Education and Public Policy at Durham University, about her fierce belief in the enduring relevance of classical rhetoric to today’s world, and why its value in helping disadvantaged children find their voice in a more engaging way is fundamental to how schools need to develop oracy, alongside literacy and numeracy. And at the end, she gives a 10-minute masterclass in classical rhetoric that we can all use to make a speech more interesting. _____________Arlene's books Forward with Classics  and Expanding Classics The ‘Shy bairns get nowt’ project https://www.durham.ac.uk/news-events/latest-news/2023/05/shy-bairns-get-nowt/Arlene's work in The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jun/04/brucey-and-caesar-can-help-children-improve-oracy-says-classic-professorConnect with Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-morgan-3a473a/ Follow eatbigfish on Linkedin and Instagram See what’s coming up on the podcast at The Challenger Project With thanks to our editor Ruth and producer Ross.

How can we be interesting enough to stick in our audiences’ long-term memory? In this episode, Adam speaks to Addison Brown, the science teacher who was the star of a recent Department for Education recruitment film. They discuss the four key principles that underpin success in every lesson – from cognitive load to dual coding – and how shorter pupil attention spans and higher expectations have driven a ‘blossoming of imagination within teaching'.'Every Lesson Shapes a Life': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGd_Rrs-qNYBrian Cox asks 'what more do you want?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uqa2TMzag4_________Connect with Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-morgan-3a473a/ Follow eatbigfish on Linkedin and Instagram See what’s coming up on the podcast at The Challenger Project With thanks to our editor Ruth and producer Ross.