Leaving Eden Podcast

This past month, Josh Duggar's prison emails sent between his conviction in December of 2021 and his sentencing in June of 2022 were revealed to the public via FOIA request (Thank You Lily Archive). In this episode, we go through the emails sent between Joshua Duggar and his spiritual advisor, LaCount Reber. Joshua stayed with the Reber family when he was out on bail during his trial. These emails reveal the depths of Josh's ignorance about even the most basic tenets of Christianity. They reveal a lack of curiosity, and an inability to read coded messages sent to him as bible quotations, and an understanding of scripture that can be (charitably) described as rudimentary.

In this episode, we discuss the mental gymnastics Fundies perform to say that drinking alcohol is a sin, even though Jesus turned water into wine. We go into the history of where the fundie taboo around drinking came from, how a social taboo became integrated into a religious doctrine, and why this makes zero sense.In the Patreon extended edition, Sadie talks about her job working with at risk teens, and helping them identify abusive behaviors and how people can change abusive behaviors. https://www.patreon.com/posts/157928236Please send your pride stories to LeavingEdenPod@Gmail.Com so we can read them on an episode!00:00 - INTRO: 04:26 - Josh Duggar Emails 05:48 - SEND YOUR PRIDE STORIES TO US! 06:54 - Jesus' miracles 07:50 - Anti-Alcohol sentiment in Christianity 18:27 - Why did or didn't people drink alcohol in biblical times? 26:20 - Prohibition and the Scopes Monkey Trial 32:27 - Why are fundies stuck in the 1920s? 37:08 - Jesus turned water into... Grape Juice? 38:35 - He turned the water into Lean 39:35 - How the fundies convince themselves that Alcohol is bad

Chad joins us once again to talk about OTHER bible stories about King David and his family, and what lessons fundamentalists take from them. We examine why King David is seen as such a great king despite the many failures of his rule and the mess that was his family. We discuss Absalom's rebellion, Tamar's assault, and the ??? story that is the story of Abashag.

In today's episode, Sadie discusses the recent article in Vanity Fair about Hyles-Anderson College, which she attended from the fall of 2011 until the spring of 2013. While this article did a good job of explaining what makes this college so controlling, we felt that this subject would have been better served with a longer-form piece that focused more on the deeper aspects of control rather than JUST the dress code. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/the-college-for-trad-wives?srsltid=AfmBOopagpD8okZIVAWJdyk7Svyax_rmS8qF4xH0n2dryDQj7eEVtsRL00:00 - Intro05:23 - Tradwives07:43 - Rules for men vs. women09:43 - MRS Degrees14:58 - The IFB20:23 - The Curriculum28:01 - Bus Routes33:12 - How Sadie Almost got expelled38:08 - What the Vanity Fair could have done better42:48 - Why some people don't make it44:46 - This is an insular culture

In this episode, we discuss Josh Duggar's attempt to vacate his conviction and secure a new trial based on the theory that Caleb William was the guilty party in his crime. We discuss his issues with filing deadlines, as well as how quickly Josh's sentence has gone by.We also discuss the statement released by the Caldwell Family regarding Joe Duggar's alleged crimes, what this says about their current situation and their relationship with Kendra.Sadie also talks about Pete Hegseth and the Pulp Fiction fake bible quote.The Patreon extended version of this episode includes Sadie recording a parody of the 2014 Michelle Duggar robocall in which Michelle Duggar fearmongered about trans people in bathrooms.Sources for this episode are on this Patreon post (The text of this post is NOT paywalled)https://www.patreon.com/posts/15610315700:00 - Intro:04:16 - A correction and a clarification07:05 - WE DO NOT SPECULATE OR IDENTIFY THE VICTIM15:27 - Josh Duggar is trying to get out of prison (AGAIN)23:58 - Prison Mailbox rule29:35 - The timing is impeccable and Jack Schaap34:09 - Josh's sentence is FLYING by38:14 - Pete Hegseth and the Pulp Fiction "Bible" Quote46:56 - Caldwell Family Statement

In this episode, we discuss Christian beliefs around taxation, as well as why some fundamentalist Christians like Kent Hovind have opted for a sovereign citizen defense. At the end of the episode, we discuss the creative ways that Jim Bob Duggar has avoided taxation by passing his tax burden off onto his children. Source images are located on this Patreon post (the sources are not paywalled) https://www.patreon.com/posts/are-christians-15518811600:00 - Intro02:00 - Intro03:43 - Tax season04:31 - Kent Hovind, Dinosaur Adventure Land, Structuring08:34 - Render Unto Caesar12:05 - Romans 13 and historical context16:39 - Sovereign citizenship20:00 - The 14th Amendment23:14 - Suing the IRS25:46 - Convicted!29:50 - Jim Bob Duggar32:24 - The clobber verses vs. financial ethics34:04 - Magical Thinking37:15 - Gavi's Flow Chart

In this episode, Gavi proves how much he has learned about fundie culture by showing Sadie his INSPIRED AND PRESERVED translation from Fundie/Christian-ese to plain English of the Duggar Jail Emails that were obtained by Lilly Archive using the FOIA. Sadie then provides additional cultural context as well as a few things from these emails that stood out to her.In the extended Patreon edition of this episode, we discuss Amy Duggar King's April Fools Day post in which she joked about interviewing Bill Gothard.Sources, images, and additional material are located here (Yes it is a link to Patreon, but these things are not behind a paywall)https://www.patreon.com/posts/duggar-family-on-154932362/edit?postId=duggar-family-on-154932362SPECULATING ON THE IDENTITY OF JOE DUGGAR'S VICTIM IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.00:00 - Intro 01:45 - Sadie was raised Fundie, Gavi was NOT! 03:39 - What do people miss? 05:56 - "Bless Your Heart" 07:50 - "I Love You and Jesus Loves You" 13:04 - The Letter from Austin Forsyth 18:33 - Gavi's Translation of Austin's letter 20:48 - Thank You to our Patrons! 22:22 - Josh Duggar's Jail Emails 26:13 - Chariots of Fire 27:37 - Josh is the Prodigal son 30:07 - Gavi's Translation of the Josh Letter 32:22 - Jim Bob is delusional 35:15 - Jim Bob's letter to Joe 38:27 - King David 40:29 - THE PUN 44:56 - God's Plan for Joe 47:34 - Gavi's Translation of Jim Bob's letter to Joe 50:18 - It will happen again 52:42 - Josh/Anna/John David Letters 56:13 - Will there be a trial? Joe Duggar's Lawyer

In this episode, we discuss the GoFundMe that Paul Caldwell (Kendra Duggar's father) posted which has since been deleted.All of the sources for this episode are located here, on this post on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/posts/caldwells-vs-for-15483020400:00 - Intro 04:12 - Disclaimers 05:13 - The Caldwells' latest moves 08:00 - GoFundMe taken down 08:35 - We have so many questions 10:55 - The Caldwells are not IBLP 12:41 - Sadie's connection with the Caldwells 14:49 - Thank you to our patrons! 16:18 - The Caldwells live in Joe and Kendra's house? 18:08 - The Jailhouse call 18:38 - Why do they need the house back? 20:01 - The no contact orders are REAL 21:00 - Kicking people out of houses 21:29 - SAFE housing? 23:06 - What do you need legal fees for? 24:06 - Quitclaim Deeds 25:58 - the D word? 27:06 - Is divorce allowed in the fundie world? 31:26 - You never know what is going on in these families 34:41 - Jim Bob is controlling 36:56 - Do any of these motivations make sense? 38:41 - IFB vs. IBLP 45:57 - Which scenario do you think is most likely?

Today we discuss the latest developments in the Joe Duggar case. Duggar has pleaded Not Guilty to all charges in Florida, has been released on a $600,000 bond, and (we think) is back in Arkansas.YouTuber Lily Archive has released numerous phone calls as well as emails sent to Joe Duggar while he was in jail in Arkansas. She obtained this material using a FOIA request (she has shown provenance). These are extremely telling. We give our impressions on this material, especially focused on the emails.Lily Archive's FOIA request documentationhttps://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/1sag5mu/proof_of_joes_jail_emails_i_got_via_foia_request/Junior_Wolf9331's pictures of Jim Bob and Joe at the airporthttps://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/1s9261f/jim_bob_joseph_at_panama_city_fl_airport/UPDATE: Between the time of filming and release of this episode, Washington County District Court sent me the documents that were published by Katie Joy as well as others, and they are the same documents, they are real.00:00 - Intro04:23 - DISCLAIMERS (We might be wrong)05:29 - Joe Duggar pleads NOT GUILTY and is out on bond08:06 - Will there be a trial?09:30 - What will the defense strategy be?11:45 - Jim Bob/Michelle Duggar statement12:30 - Josh Duggar vs. Joe Duggar favoritism13:45 - Getting the confession excluded17:08 - Thank you to our patrons!18:36 - The Phone Calls/Lily Archive24:40 - The Emails24:50 - Jim Bob's Email26:55 - King David and Joseph32:27 - Josh is the smartest Duggar?35:21 - Austin Forsyth's email37:52 - Anna Duggar's email40:45 - It's all coming apart