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Fundie Mental Gymnastics: Drinking and Alcohol
In this episode, we discuss the mental gymnastics Fundies perform to say that drinking alcohol is a sin, even though Jesus turned water into wine. We go into the history of where the fundie taboo around drinking came from, how a social taboo became integrated into a religious doctrine, and why this makes zero sense.
In the Patreon extended edition, Sadie talks about her job working with at risk teens, and helping them identify abusive behaviors and how people can change abusive behaviors. https://www.patreon.com/posts/157928236
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00:00 - INTRO:
04:26 - Josh Duggar Emails
05:48 - SEND YOUR PRIDE STORIES TO US!
06:54 - Jesus' miracles
07:50 - Anti-Alcohol sentiment in Christianity
18:27 - Why did or didn't people drink alcohol in biblical times?
26:20 - Prohibition and the Scopes Monkey Trial
32:27 - Why are fundies stuck in the 1920s?
37:08 - Jesus turned water into... Grape Juice?
38:35 - He turned the water into Lean
39:35 - How the fundies convince themselves that Alcohol is bad
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