Leaving Eden Podcast

Chad joins us once again to talk about OTHER bible stories about King David and his family, and what lessons fundamentalists take from them. We examine why King David is seen as such a great king despite the many failures of his rule and the mess that was his family. We discuss Absalom's rebellion, Tamar's assault, and the ??? story that is the story of Abashag.

In today's episode, Sadie discusses the recent article in Vanity Fair about Hyles-Anderson College, which she attended from the fall of 2011 until the spring of 2013. While this article did a good job of explaining what makes this college so controlling, we felt that this subject would have been better served with a longer-form piece that focused more on the deeper aspects of control rather than JUST the dress code. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/the-college-for-trad-wives?srsltid=AfmBOopagpD8okZIVAWJdyk7Svyax_rmS8qF4xH0n2dryDQj7eEVtsRL00:00 - Intro05:23 - Tradwives07:43 - Rules for men vs. women09:43 - MRS Degrees14:58 - The IFB20:23 - The Curriculum28:01 - Bus Routes33:12 - How Sadie Almost got expelled38:08 - What the Vanity Fair could have done better42:48 - Why some people don't make it44:46 - This is an insular culture

In this episode, we discuss Josh Duggar's attempt to vacate his conviction and secure a new trial based on the theory that Caleb William was the guilty party in his crime. We discuss his issues with filing deadlines, as well as how quickly Josh's sentence has gone by.We also discuss the statement released by the Caldwell Family regarding Joe Duggar's alleged crimes, what this says about their current situation and their relationship with Kendra.Sadie also talks about Pete Hegseth and the Pulp Fiction fake bible quote.The Patreon extended version of this episode includes Sadie recording a parody of the 2014 Michelle Duggar robocall in which Michelle Duggar fearmongered about trans people in bathrooms.Sources for this episode are on this Patreon post (The text of this post is NOT paywalled)https://www.patreon.com/posts/15610315700:00 - Intro:04:16 - A correction and a clarification07:05 - WE DO NOT SPECULATE OR IDENTIFY THE VICTIM15:27 - Josh Duggar is trying to get out of prison (AGAIN)23:58 - Prison Mailbox rule29:35 - The timing is impeccable and Jack Schaap34:09 - Josh's sentence is FLYING by38:14 - Pete Hegseth and the Pulp Fiction "Bible" Quote46:56 - Caldwell Family Statement

In this episode, we discuss Christian beliefs around taxation, as well as why some fundamentalist Christians like Kent Hovind have opted for a sovereign citizen defense. At the end of the episode, we discuss the creative ways that Jim Bob Duggar has avoided taxation by passing his tax burden off onto his children. Source images are located on this Patreon post (the sources are not paywalled) https://www.patreon.com/posts/are-christians-15518811600:00 - Intro02:00 - Intro03:43 - Tax season04:31 - Kent Hovind, Dinosaur Adventure Land, Structuring08:34 - Render Unto Caesar12:05 - Romans 13 and historical context16:39 - Sovereign citizenship20:00 - The 14th Amendment23:14 - Suing the IRS25:46 - Convicted!29:50 - Jim Bob Duggar32:24 - The clobber verses vs. financial ethics34:04 - Magical Thinking37:15 - Gavi's Flow Chart

In this episode, Gavi proves how much he has learned about fundie culture by showing Sadie his INSPIRED AND PRESERVED translation from Fundie/Christian-ese to plain English of the Duggar Jail Emails that were obtained by Lilly Archive using the FOIA. Sadie then provides additional cultural context as well as a few things from these emails that stood out to her.In the extended Patreon edition of this episode, we discuss Amy Duggar King's April Fools Day post in which she joked about interviewing Bill Gothard.Sources, images, and additional material are located here (Yes it is a link to Patreon, but these things are not behind a paywall)https://www.patreon.com/posts/duggar-family-on-154932362/edit?postId=duggar-family-on-154932362SPECULATING ON THE IDENTITY OF JOE DUGGAR'S VICTIM IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.00:00 - Intro 01:45 - Sadie was raised Fundie, Gavi was NOT! 03:39 - What do people miss? 05:56 - "Bless Your Heart" 07:50 - "I Love You and Jesus Loves You" 13:04 - The Letter from Austin Forsyth 18:33 - Gavi's Translation of Austin's letter 20:48 - Thank You to our Patrons! 22:22 - Josh Duggar's Jail Emails 26:13 - Chariots of Fire 27:37 - Josh is the Prodigal son 30:07 - Gavi's Translation of the Josh Letter 32:22 - Jim Bob is delusional 35:15 - Jim Bob's letter to Joe 38:27 - King David 40:29 - THE PUN 44:56 - God's Plan for Joe 47:34 - Gavi's Translation of Jim Bob's letter to Joe 50:18 - It will happen again 52:42 - Josh/Anna/John David Letters 56:13 - Will there be a trial? Joe Duggar's Lawyer

In this episode, we discuss the GoFundMe that Paul Caldwell (Kendra Duggar's father) posted which has since been deleted.All of the sources for this episode are located here, on this post on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/posts/caldwells-vs-for-15483020400:00 - Intro 04:12 - Disclaimers 05:13 - The Caldwells' latest moves 08:00 - GoFundMe taken down 08:35 - We have so many questions 10:55 - The Caldwells are not IBLP 12:41 - Sadie's connection with the Caldwells 14:49 - Thank you to our patrons! 16:18 - The Caldwells live in Joe and Kendra's house? 18:08 - The Jailhouse call 18:38 - Why do they need the house back? 20:01 - The no contact orders are REAL 21:00 - Kicking people out of houses 21:29 - SAFE housing? 23:06 - What do you need legal fees for? 24:06 - Quitclaim Deeds 25:58 - the D word? 27:06 - Is divorce allowed in the fundie world? 31:26 - You never know what is going on in these families 34:41 - Jim Bob is controlling 36:56 - Do any of these motivations make sense? 38:41 - IFB vs. IBLP 45:57 - Which scenario do you think is most likely?