Leadership and the Environment

Leadership in the style of Mandela, Gandhi, King, and Havel, in the direction of Muir, Al Gore, DiCaprio, featuring Dan Pink, Marshall Goldsmith, Dorie Clark, Super Bowl champions, TED speakers, and more.

Do you care about the environment but feel "I want to act but if no one else does it won't make a difference" and "But if you don't solve everything it isn't worth doing anything"?We are the antidote! You're not alone. H

371: Margaret Klein Salamon, part 1: Become the Hero Humanity Needs

Ep. 371
Margaret is the Executive Director at The Climate Mobilization. Writing Facing the Climate Emergency brought her to me.Her psychology background leads her to approach the climate psychologically, which I appreciate and consider missing. Our internal resistance, fears, and emotions that we don't like facing seem our biggest challenges to act. Of course, more research and education help, but we crossed the threshold of knowing enough to act long ago. We aren't acting not out of ignorance but out of emotion and the skills to manage them.She writes about facing our fears, which leads ultimately to how rewarding acting on so great a challenge feels. People don't get how rewarding acting on our values feels. We both struggled to describe the ineffable emotional and social rewards of stewardship, but I think you'll hear the magnitude of it.I think we both hope you hear from us enough incentive and inspiration to devote yourself to something so huge, even if just to start getting serious. In my experience, the more you act, the more you want to act. You'll wish you started earlier.I don't know how it sounds to others, but exploring apocalyptic possibilities---I believe you'll be glad you explored them, as we do.Close to home, how many books and movies have you come across that eerily accurately foretold the course of this pandemic. If you haven't found any, there are plenty. Many people want to prepare for such outcomes with stockpiles of food, weapons, and bunkers in New Zealand.I prefer to prevent these outcomes. Margaret focuses on action, as do I. Action can prevent some of the greatest suffering. It creates motivation, meaning, and purpose.We can change the trajectory we're on. And we'll love it.

368: Chester Elton, part 1: Asking and listening across color lines

Ep. 368
You're about to hear a conversation post-George Floyd by two leadership writers. Normally we write for mostly business audiences. this conversation felt more personal.Normally when a friend introduces a potential podcast guest, we start by talking each other's work and figure out scheduling. With Chester---maybe given his openness and, I think, mine, as well as the protests raging---we jumped into talking about race and our interactions with people of different color. We spoke for a couple hours about a topic that polite conversation often avoids, let alone makes it the first thing two people meeting for the first time discuss.Those past conversations set the tone for the conversation you're about to hear, also the continued protests, media discussion, and our growing friendship to keep speaking more openly.I posted last week, 2020 in 9 words: “Everybody wants to be heard and nobody is listening.” I think my conversations with Chester helped prompt that insight. By contrast, he listens. I'm trying to learn from him.Do you know of people in authority showing the world that they are listening and making others feel understood? In fairness, can someone with a national voice, with all the protests from different angles, make a group or bunch of groups feel understood? . . . or even feel listened to?When I teach leading groups, I use Martin Luther King's Letter from Birmingham Jail as an example of someone making others feel understood, where his sharing his vulnerability as a father probably made his audience of protesters feel more understood and listened to than the ministers whose letter to the editor he responded to. It's the best historical example I can think of and I don't see renowned leaders following or matching him.

367: The Surprising Mantle of Leadership

Ep. 367
Here are the notes I read from for this episode:Stand up comediansGrowing up in 70sI thought everyone would want to lead, to give I Have A Dream speech of their generationFelt so natural, though universalSo until recently felt others could do better, wouldn't want to competeDawning on my almost nobody wants toNobody seems to want to changeI expect they'll be happy to change if they don't have to do workAfter all world has changed. Seems easy to change with itMaybe people are waiting for someone and I can or should be itCrazy for me to think nobody wants itQuestion I've asked lately: Genie Mandela choiceI thought all the people competing to be leadership gurus want to leadOr people competing to reach top of corporate ladder want to leadThey want to manage companies and organizations, maybe lead small groupsBut taking risks, maybe notI'm coming to terms with stepping up, or figuring out what that meansYears ago before starting podcast I thought about taking leadership role, realizing success meant challenging Koch brothers. Scary. I could be attacked. King, Gandhi, and others killed.Realized when opportunity to speak on Washington Mall came up, King probably didn't want to give I Have A Dream Speech. Probably thought, “Can anyone else? I guess I have to do it.”Is it crazy for me to think of taking on role like theirs. Does anyone else want to?Still figuring out how, but deciding to act more assertively. If you see ideas or opportunities I don't, please tell me.In the meantime, I see why I'm unique in finding joy in not flying by choice. Still nearly incomprehensible that people can learn how their behavior hurts others and still prefer to justify and imagine their pollution isn't.Is it so outlandish to try, and take my word that you'll be glad you changed?Is it so crazy to imagine that economists all misunderstand what finite planet means and that growth has to end, so their theories don't apply?

366: The Cops, Jocko Willink, and Joe Rogan

Ep. 366
Here are the notes I wrote and read this podcast from:It's no secret the tension between police and protesters in this country. I've talked to a lot of protesters in my day, having protested myself many times, especially in college.In grad school a post-doc once worked as auxiliary policemanRecently listened to Jocko Willink on Joe Rogan's podcast. I won't explain who they are because they're both big public figures and you can look them up.Except Jocko is a former Navy SEAL and Joe hosts the world's top podcast. As a martial artist, he speaks Jocko's language and they both talk about cops and uniformed people.I'm going to play about a minute from their conversation that inspired me.<play clip here>After hearing that part, I walked down 10th Street to the 6th precinct to ask if they did drive-alongs.I'd never heard of such a thing and doubted they did, but I knew if I didn't ask the answer was no, if I called or emailed, the answer would be no. But I'm pretty good in person.What will come of it? I don't know. I mentioned it to a friend and he suggested not bringing ID, maybe bringing a witness. People and cops mistrust each other a lot.I want to make a difference. I at least want to understand.Guy there didn't know (wasn't wearing mask).Didn't know if anyone inside would know but suggested attending monthly community meeting.Started checking community feed. One is coming up.Don't know if it will work, but will try.Maybe a few words about jury duty.Joe Rogan hosts Jocko Willink, full episode #1492