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Curiosity Converts: The Questions That Make Sales (and Follow-Ups) Work
In this episode, Helen digs into the underrated superpower of sales: asking better questions. Sparked by coaching a candidate selling corporate hospitality, she shares why most reps leap to a pitch instead of learning why a buyer would—or wouldn’t—say yes. Using her own experience with race-day events, Helen shows how almost no one asks, “Why not now?”—and how that single question uncovers practical fixes (format, travel, budget, incentives) you can feed back into your offer.
Key takeaways:
- Lead with curiosity. On sales calls and follow-ups, ask open questions to learn context, constraints, and timing—don’t guess.
- Do something with the feedback. Close the loop internally (tweak the offer/process) and externally (tell the buyer what you changed).
- Treat “no” as “not yet.” Gain permission to check back, then diarise a 3–6 month follow-up so warm opportunities don’t go cold by neglect.
- Make it human. Genuine interest beats scripted interrogations; the goal is insight, not a checkbox.
If you want a pipeline built on real conversations—not wishful thinking—start by asking better questions and following through.
👉 Ready to fill your diary with qualified appointments and a follow-up plan that actually happens? Visit www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk/contact to chat.
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21. How to Use LinkedIn to Fill Your Diary with Qualified Sales Appointments
21:14||Season 2, Ep. 21Helen walked through how to use Sales Navigator to find the right prospects — for example, C-suite directors in large UK manufacturing firms — and how to use ChatGPT to craft personalised connection and follow-up messages that start real conversations.💡 Key takeaways: 🔍 Target smartly – Use Sales Navigator filters to find your ideal decision-makers. 💬 Personalise with AI – Let ChatGPT help you write tailored connection and follow-up messages that sound human. 📊 Track everything – Keep an organised list of connections in your CRM or Excel. ✅ Qualify before booking – Focus on genuine prospects, not just anyone who replies. 📅 Build consistency – Connect with 100 contacts weekly, follow up via LinkedIn and phone, and review your progress through weekly stats.Helen also stressed the importance of keeping a briefing document and regular updates so both you and your clients stay on track — ensuring quality, not just quantity, in every appointment.Her message is simple: LinkedIn done right isn’t about mass messaging — it’s about method, relevance, and rhythm.🔗 Learn more about how Exceptional Thinking helps businesses generate consistent, qualified leads: www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk 📅 Book a chat: www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk/contact
20. When We Took a Client to Court: Lessons From a Tough Business Decision
12:19||Season 2, Ep. 20In this powerful and candid episode of The Exceptional Thinking Podcast, Helen shares the real story of when she and her husband — and Finance Director — Nick had to take a client to court. They won the case, but as she explains, winning doesn’t mean it didn’t take a toll.This episode dives deep into the emotional and operational realities of dealing with client disputes — what happens before, during, and after a legal battle, and how to avoid getting there in the first place.Helen explains:Why the case happened: a seemingly happy client suddenly refused to pay their final invoice — despite previously praising the team.What the court process was really like: long, exhausting, and emotionally draining, even when the outcome was in their favour.Key lessons learned:Try every possible resolution before court — from reasoned communication to mediation.Keep everything factual — contracts, evidence, and timelines matter far more than emotion.Use tools like ChatGPT to draft kind but firm responses that remove heat from tense conversations.Remember the emotional cost — the stress can linger far longer than the financial gain.Why mediation matters: Helen explains how mediation can resolve cases quickly and privately, avoiding months of strain.She also reflects on how running a business inevitably means facing difficult moments — refund requests, complaints, unfair accusations — but how we handle those defines our integrity and resilience.Her closing advice is simple but profound:“Yes, I’d take a client to court again if I had to — but I’d always exhaust every other route first. The emotional cost of conflict is rarely worth the win.”👉 If you’d like to learn how Exceptional Thinking builds strong, transparent client partnerships and clear communication from the start, visit www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk/contact to find out more.
19. How to Set Business Goals That Actually Work
11:39||Season 2, Ep. 19In this episode of The Exceptional Thinking Podcast, Helen shares a simple, structured approach to setting business goals that actually stick. Instead of plucking targets out of thin air, she shows how to use real numbers, reverse engineering, and weekly accountability to create growth plans that are ambitious — but achievable.Drawing from her own experience leading Exceptional Thinking into its next financial year, Helen walks through how to forecast growth, plan strategically, and make sure every target is backed by action.Here’s what she covers:Start with your numbers: review your last two years’ revenue, then calculate your annual percentage growth — or decline — to understand your trend.Set realistic targets: don’t jump to a 50% increase without evidence; decide on a percentage that stretches but doesn’t overwhelm.Plan how you’ll grow: consider where the increase will come from — price rises, new offers, more clients, or reduced costs.Reverse engineer success: imagine you’ve hit your target — what processes, people, and systems made it happen?Involve your team: brainstorm what it would take to scale beyond your target (e.g. 12 clients per month) to uncover hidden opportunities.Keep score weekly: track revenue, projects, and team motivation every week — not monthly — so you can course-correct fast.Helen also shares how her team at Exceptional Thinking identified ten “exponential growth activities” and designed creative incentives to keep everyone engaged, such as reward gifts when booked appointments convert to clients.Her message is clear: real growth comes from structure, not guesswork. With consistent review, collaboration, and measurement, you’ll move from setting goals to achieving them.👉 Want to see how Exceptional Thinking helps clients achieve consistent growth through qualified appointments? Visit www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk/contact to learn more.
18. Rest Is a Strategy: Why Downtime Makes You a Better Business Owner
11:55||Season 2, Ep. 18In this deeply honest episode of The Exceptional Thinking Podcast, Helen opens up about something most entrepreneurs neglect — rest. After years of “go, go, go,” she shares how burnout forced her to rethink productivity, redefine success, and rebuild a business that thrives without her being constantly switched on.Drawing on lessons from athletes and Olympic performance coaches, Helen explains how business owners are the “athletes of the business world” — carrying the weight of payroll, performance, and progress — yet often skip the recovery phase that makes elite results possible.She explores:The cost of overwork: how constant hustle once left her exhausted, reactive, and short-tempered.The athlete analogy: why rest and recovery are as vital for entrepreneurs as training and performance.Finding your rhythm: knowing when you work best and protecting that energy (no sales calls after 3pm!).Simple habits that restore focus: daily walks with Chewie and Jet, short runs, 10-minute meditations, good books, and creative hobbies like cross-stitch.Boundaries that work: switching off completely on holiday, muting notifications, and trusting the team to run the business.Her message is clear — rest isn’t laziness, it’s leverage. By deliberately stepping back, you give your mind space to think, plan, and build systems that free you from day-to-day firefighting.👉 If you’d like to learn how Exceptional Thinking helps business owners reclaim time and grow their pipeline with qualified appointments, visit www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk/contact to find out more.
17. How We Saved Two Hires Using AI: Automating with Monday.com, Zapier & Make
09:41||Season 2, Ep. 17In this episode of The Exceptional Thinking Podcast, Helen lifts the lid on how she and her team have used AI-driven automation to revolutionise the way their business runs — saving the equivalent of one to two full-time roles through smart systems design.Following previous episodes on ChatGPT and Go High Level, this one dives into Monday.com, Zapier, and Make — the unsung heroes connecting everything together behind the scenes. Helen walks through how Exceptional Thinking automated client onboarding, appointment processing, and follow-up, turning what once took 30–40 minutes per task into 8–10 minutes or less.You’ll learn:How Monday.com cut admin time in half by linking telemarketers, account managers, and clients in one automated flow.How Zapier and Make connect systems like Go High Level, Microsoft, and Monday.com to create seamless automations.How automation improved client experience with faster updates, cleaner communication, and near-zero inbox backlogs.Why setup takes time (and patience) — but pays back massively once it’s working.How automation can replace admin roles, freeing you to invest in growth, not repetition.Helen’s message is clear: automation isn’t about replacing people; it’s about reclaiming time, cutting complexity, and making your business run smoother than ever.👉 Want to see how automation could power your lead generation and appointment setting? Visit www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk/contact to find out how we combine people, process, and AI to deliver results.
16. Why Most Lead Gen Companies Fail Their Clients (and How to Avoid It)
09:42||Season 2, Ep. 16In this episode of The Exceptional Thinking Podcast, Helen pulls back the curtain on the lead generation industry — and she doesn’t hold back. After more than 20 years in business, she’s seen the good, the bad, and the downright awful: empty promises, unqualified “leads,” one-size-fits-all campaigns, and companies more focused on signing clients than serving them.Helen breaks down exactly why most lead gen companies fail their clients — and how to make sure you never waste time or money again.Here’s what she covers:Big promises, little substance: why “100 leads this month” means nothing without qualification.The missing ingredient — BANT: how Budget, Authority, Need, and Timescale stop you wasting hours on the wrong people.Expectation setting: understanding why true lead gen is a process, not a miracle.The danger of cookie-cutter scripts: why copying templates across industries kills results.Partnership over churn: how long-term collaboration, not quick wins, creates consistent ROI.When clients share responsibility: why feedback, follow-up, and commitment are vital on both sides.Helen also outlines what great lead generation should look like — transparent, consistent, and tailored — with a five-step process that’s built to deliver three to six qualified appointments per month on repeat.If you’ve ever been burned by a lead gen company that overpromised and underdelivered, this episode will show you how to choose differently next time — and what a true partnership should feel like.👉 Want to see how Exceptional Thinking does it differently? Visit www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk/contact to explore our transparent, proven five-step process for generating qualified appointments that convert.
14. Great Sales Calls Start with Great Qualification (Not a Pitch)
19:39||Season 2, Ep. 14In this 9:30 Advantage session, Helen shows why standout sales conversations begin long before the meeting — with smart qualification, not a hard sell. You’ll learn how to use LinkedIn and ChatGPT to create connection and follow-up messages that make the right prospects self-identify (“raise their hands”), so your diary fills with people worth speaking to.Helen walks through the practical flow:Attract, don’t chase — craft messages that invite interest instead of pushing a pitch.Pre-qualify before sales touches — have your team speak to prospects first so only real opportunities reach closers.Share a clear process — use a simple 5-step delivery map (kickoff → connect → nurture → telemarket → weekly stats) so prospects know exactly how you work.Qualify with BANT — Budget, Authority, Need, Timescale — and make that definition shared across the team.Measure what matters — track meetings → proposals → wins with a KPI scorecard to keep campaigns on course.The result: fewer tire-kickers, stronger conversations, and a pipeline you can actually forecast.👉 Want a steady flow of qualified appointments — not just more meetings? Visit www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk/contact to chat.
13. Burnt by a Lead Gen Company? How to Rebuild Trust and Get It Right This Time
11:00||Season 2, Ep. 13In this candid episode of The Exceptional Thinking Podcast, Helen tackles one of the biggest frustrations she hears from new clients: “We’ve tried lead generation before, and it didn’t work.”She breaks down why so many businesses get burnt by flashy dashboards, false promises, and low-quality “leads” that go nowhere — and more importantly, how to make sure it never happens again.Helen walks through the four key steps to rebuilding trust in the process:1️⃣ Pause and Reflect – Before jumping into another contract, take stock. What actually went wrong last time — wrong partner, poor qualification, or lack of follow-up? 2️⃣ Change Your Perspective – Stop chasing volume. Focus on quality over quantity — three to six qualified appointments a month can transform your business when they’re the right ones. 3️⃣ Demand Transparency – If a lead generation company can’t explain how they qualify, score, and report on leads, walk away. Helen reveals how Exceptional Thinking ensures full visibility: call recordings, transcripts, BANT scoring, and weekly reports. 4️⃣ Think Long-Term – Real lead generation isn’t a quick fix; it’s about consistency, reliability, and predictable growth month after month.With real-life stories — from clients burned by false promises to those landing dream meetings like BrewDog — Helen shows what happens when you replace luck with process and hope with strategy.If you’ve been burned before, don’t give up. The right partner, process, and patience can make lead generation one of the most profitable systems in your business.👉 Ready to see how it works when it’s done properly? Book a chat today at www.exceptionalthinking.co.uk/contact — no pressure, just a real conversation about what would work best for you.