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JUSTICE with prison philanthropist Edwina Grosvenor

In Conversation with... Helen McGinn

Season 1, Ep. 9

Edwina is joined by author, newspaper columnist and wine expert Helen McGinn, whose younger brother Tim was murdered in London in 2002.

Helen’s website and blog can be found here: www.knackeredmotherswineclub.com/


This podcast is created and produced by The London Podcast Company and Pencil Agency.

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    In this episode we look at what’s needed to prevent young women getting caught up in the justice system and what community-based solutions are needed. Lilly is joined by Indy Cross, CEO of Agenda Alliance, who shares learning from their Young Women’s Justice Project. In partnership with the Alliance for Youth Justice, the project engages with young women, front-line practitioners and other experts, with the aim to build a strong evidence base and influence practice and policy to better meet the needs of young women in contact with, or at risk of being in contact with the justice system. We also speak with a young woman Caiyan from Daddyless Daughters, a key partner in the Young Women’s Justice Project, who shares her insights into what support should be provided. Daddyless Daughters supports girls and young women who have been affected by family breakdown, abuse and adversity across London between the age of 11 – 25 years old. Aliyah Ali, Founder of the organisation, also joins us to share more about their mission. Learn more:Agenda Alliance work to promote understanding of, and encourage systems and services to respond better to, the experiences of women and girls with multiple or complex unmet needs. Learn more about Agenda Alliance https://www.agendaalliance.org/ and on X: @Agenda_alliance ,Instagram: @agenda_alliance Read the Young Women’s Justice project reports and find out more about the project: https://www.agendaalliance.org/our-work/projects-and-campaigns/young-womens-justice-project/ Learn more about Daddyless Daughters https://www.daddylessdaughters.co.uk/ X: @theddproject_ , Instagram: @daddyless_daughtersTwitter - @OSTCharityThis podcast is created and produced by The London Podcast Company
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    In this week’s episode, we continue our exploration of transformational spaces by looking at an example of trauma informed design from further afield. Edwina speaks to Samantha Donnelly, an architect and lecturer at the University of Technology in Sydney, Australia. Samantha is also a PHD Candidate, her thesis focusing on how trauma informed design can benefit the experiences of women, children and staff in domestic abuse refuges. Edwina and Samantha discuss how trauma informed design, and buildings can impact the lives of people who are in vulnerable situations. Samantha shares more about some of the issues she has encountered as an architect in designing spaces for women in refuge, as well as the design solutions she has found to supporting women to feel safe in their surroundings.  Learn more about Samantha Donnelly’s work here: https://profiles.uts.edu.au/Samantha.Donnelly/aboutRead more about the One Small Thing charity here.Twitter - @OSTCharityThis podcast is created and produced by The London Podcast Company. 
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