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Episode Two - It Started With a Heatwave… and Got Surprisingly Deep | It’s Probably Fine

Season 1, Ep. 2

It Started With a Heatwave… and Got Surprisingly Deep

What began as a conversation about heatwaves, swollen train lines and school closures quickly became something much bigger.


In this episode of It’s Probably Fine, Lucy and Jemma explore how seemingly simple decisions often have unexpected consequences. From the proposed UK social media ban and digital wellbeing to safeguarding, domestic abuse, digital identity and the responsibilities of employers, this is an honest conversation about the complexity of risk in today’s world.


Along the way we discuss:


  • Why schools really close during extreme weather
  • The proposed UK social media ban for under-16s
  • Whether banning social media tackles the real problem
  • Digital wellbeing, digital literacy and parenting in an online world
  • Digital identity, privacy and trust
  • The hidden decisions leaders make every day
  • The links between major sporting events and domestic abuse
  • Safeguarding responsibilities for organisations and employers
  • Why good decision-making is about people, not just policies


Content warning: This episode contains discussion of suicide, self-harm, eating disorders, domestic abuse, child safeguarding and mental health. Please listen with care.

If you or someone you know has been affected by any of the issues discussed, support is available:


Samaritans – Free, confidential support 24 hours a day for anyone struggling or in emotional distress. Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org

Refuge – Support for women experiencing domestic abuse, including the National Domestic Abuse Helpline. Call 0808 2000 247 or visit https://www.refuge.org.uk

Papyrus HOPELINE247 – Suicide prevention support for children, young people under 35 and those worried about them. Call 0800 068 4141, text 88247, or visit https://www.papyrus-uk.org

Childline – Free, confidential support for anyone under 19. Call 0800 1111 or visit https://www.childline.org.uk

YoungMinds – Information and support for young people’s mental health and advice for parents and carers. Visit https://www.youngminds.org.uk

NSPCC – Advice on online safety, safeguarding and protecting children. Visit https://www.nspcc.org.uk

The Mix – Free support for under-25s covering mental health, relationships, work, housing and more. Visit https://www.themix.org.uk

If someone is in immediate danger or you believe a child or vulnerable adult is at immediate risk of serious harm, call 999.


It’s Probably Fine is the podcast where business leaders, experts and consultants share what really happens when things go wrong - and what we can all learn from the decisions made under pressure.


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