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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast
Andrade: The Legend Before Pele!
Season 1, Ep. 17
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*This episode of It Was What It Was discusses issues including racism, with content that some listeners may find offensive.*
Welcome to the latest episode of The Overlap’s football history podcast, It Was What It Was.
In this week’s episode, we take an in-depth look into the successful Uruguay National team of the 1920s and one their key players, Jose Leandro Andrade, who was perhaps one of the first to spark a global mania over a footballer.
Journalists Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper delve into the history of Uruguay, how they develop such an impressive team to became one of football’s first global powerhouses, winning gold in the 1924 and 1928 Olympics and lifting the first FIFA World Cup in 1930.
Jonathan and Rob also provide a detailed analysis of Uruguay’s style of play and their key players, with a particular focus on the life of Jose Leandro Andrade, his journey into football, his rise to fame and falling into poverty.
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