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The Brilliance of Bill Nicholson - Part One With Steve Perryman
Season 1, Ep. 50
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Welcome back to It Was What It Was.
This week, Jonathan and Rob are joined by Steve Perryman, Tottenham Hotspur’s record appearance holder, to talk about legendary Spurs manager Bill Nicholson.
From transforming Spurs into serial winners - to hilarious changing room stories - Steve takes us behind the scenes of one of the most successful sides of the 20th century.
Join us on Friday for Part Two!
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