It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this episode, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson bring their second and final part of their series on the Death Match, one of the most mythologized football games of all time. Occurring in Nazi-occupied Kyiv, Ukraine, this match between Start, a team formed mostly of former Dinamo Kiev players, and Flakelf, a Luftwaffe team, has become a symbol of resistance. The hosts discuss the brutal context of the occupation, the complex legacies of the players, and the role football played in these extraordinary historical circumstances. Jonathan Wilson critically examines how much of the narrative is based on verifiable facts and how much may have been post-war Soviet propaganda. This episode provides a nuanced understanding of how football intersected with geopolitics, resistance, and national identity during one of history's darkest periods.00:00 Introduction to the Death Match Series01:27 Historical Context: Nazi Occupation and Football02:26 The Rise of Team Start03:07 Early Matches and Growing Tensions04:21 Embarrassing Defeats for Axis Teams05:28 Public Perception and Propaganda06:29 The Turning Point: German Concerns14:13 The First Clash with Flakelf18:05 Setting the Stage for the Death Match26:06 The Referee's Influence and Game Dynamics27:10 Halftime Tensions and Orders to Lose28:39 Second Half and Controversial Moments32:35 Post-Match Arrests and Interrogations35:50 Life in the Prison Camp43:10 Escape and Kyiv's Liberation44:33 Legacy and Mythology of the Death Match

Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper delve into the harrowing tale of 'The Death Match,' a match played under Nazi occupation in Ukraine. They explore the brutal conditions faced by Ukrainian footballers, the formation of a remarkable team, and the resonances with modern-day conflicts. In Part One, learn how football resurfaced amidst atrocities, with bakery manager Yosyp Kordyk forming a team from former stars. The discussions cover the political intricacies and personal tragedies, setting the stage for the match itself.Join us for Part Two on Friday, where the details of the game itself and its far-reaching consequences are revealed.00:00 Introduction to the Yard Brigade00:26 Welcome to the Podcast00:53 The Mythologized Football Match02:44 Escape to Victory and Its Origins04:16 Introducing Joseph Cordick05:49 The Nazi Occupation of Kiev07:37 The Struggles of Mik Trivi14:21 The Fall of Kiev and Its Aftermath25:51 Ukrainian Nationalism and Football Under Nazi Occupation27:34 The Horrors of Nazi Occupation in Kyiv29:43 Football as a Means of Normalization30:32 Resistance and Brutality in Kyiv31:30 Formation of the Start Football Team33:06 The Struggles and Symbolism of Playing Football37:16 The First Match and Its Consequences39:09 The Complexities of Resistance and Collaboration49:14 The Aftermath and Public Perception51:07 Conclusion and Teaser for Part Two

Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast hosted by Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson.Today we bring you the fascinating story of the El Dorado League in 1940s Colombia. Discover how the government, amid a brutal civil war and the assassination of liberal leader Jorge Eliécer Gaitán, turned to football to pacify an unsettled population. Learn about the league's extraordinary formation, iconic players like Alfredo Di Stefano and Adolfo Pedernera, and the league's ultimate collapse. Join us for an in-depth look at an astonishing chapter in football history and its lasting impact.00:00 The Role of Football in Political Control01:43 The Assassination of Jorge Eliécer Gaitán03:33 The Aftermath and Civil Unrest14:12 The Rise of the El Dorado League22:51 The Impact of Global Events on Colombian Football29:29 Player Transfers and Union Arguments30:36 Colombian Football's Golden Era Begins32:30 The Arrival of International Stars34:59 Challenges and Discontent Among Players38:32 The Decline of the El Dorado League50:00 Political Turmoil and Football's Role54:54 Legacy and Modern Parallels

Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. After Chelsea's Club World Cup win at the weekend, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by author Nick Purewal, who discusses his book Sanctioned: The Inside Story of the Sale of Chelsea FC about the sanctioning of Roman Abramovich and the sale of Chelsea FC. Here we give a unique insight into the unprecedented chaos surrounding Chelsea during their 2022 sale, including behind-the-scenes details of Abramovich's involvement in peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, a near-poisoning event, and the tumultuous sale process of the club that led to current owner Todd Boehly buying the club. 00:00 Introduction 04:51 Abramovich's Role and the War's Impact07:35 The Rapid Downfall and Sanctions16:04 Abramovich's Involvement in Peace Talks19:28 The Poisoning Incident26:10 Skepticism and Vindication29:52 Legal Confusion and Government Challenges31:47 Chelsea's Struggles Under Sanctions35:23 The High-Stakes Sale Process38:48 The Bidding War Heats Up44:26 Jim Ratcliffe's Last-Minute Bid50:10 The Aftermath and Reflections

Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In a week where we marked our 100th episode, we bring you the quiz between our podcast It Was What It Was against Football Cliches.Without co-host Rob Draper, It Was What It Was brought in John Brewin alongside producer Pat Moore to join Jonathan Wilson in an epic battle against Football Cliches' Adam Hurrey, Charlie Eccleshare and David Walker.Three rounds, five questions in each round and a final round of Premier League hunting grounds, in a classic battle for the ages!If you enjoyed the podcast you can find Football Cliches episodes here: https://podfollow.com/new-football-clichesPlease note: This episode was released by our opponents in February 2025.Please do review, comment and subscribe to It Was What It Was.

Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. To mark our 100th episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper revisit one of the game’s true pioneers: Herbert Chapman. Long before his Arsenal legacy, Chapman transformed Huddersfield Town in the 1920s, laying the groundwork for modern football and guiding them to become the first club to win three consecutive top-flight league titles.A century later, Jonathan and Rob delve into the tactical innovations, strategic thinking, and leadership that defined Chapman’s revolutionary approach. This episode brings Huddersfield’s golden era to life—and shows how Chapman’s influence still echoes through the game today, both on and off the pitch.00:00 Introduction and Milestone Celebration01:13 Herbert Chapman's Early Life and Career03:31 Chapman's Tactical Innovations11:19 Leeds City and Wartime Contributions22:07 Post-War Challenges and Huddersfield Opportunity27:44 Brighton's Replay and the Stuffed Donkey Incident28:49 The Controversial FA Cup Final30:33 Chapman's Tactical Innovations34:00 Huddersfield's Rise to Glory41:52 The Closest Title Race Ever?46:32 Chapman's Legacy and Move to Arsenal48:33 Conclusion and Reflections on Chapman's Impact

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.In the second and final episode of our exploration into Abu Dhabi's takeover of Manchester City, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper uncover the strategic, political, and historical forces behind one of the most transformative moves in modern football.Incorporating expert commentary from Dr. Chris Davison, author of Abu Dhabi: Oil and Beyond, this episode explores how a state-led investment in a football club became a powerful tool of international diplomacy. We trace the roots of Abu Dhabi’s global ambitions back to the oil boom of the 1970s and '80s, the legacy of Sheikh Zayed’s leadership, and the shifting political landscape following his death in 2004.We also examine the rise of Sheikh Mansour, the tightening grip of autocracy, and the human rights questions that shadow this high-stakes project. From geopolitics in the Arab world to influence across Africa and the Indian subcontinent.00:00 Introduction 01:30 The Foundation of UAE and Its Growth02:57 Sheikh Zayed's Vision and Leadership05:24 The Role of Women and Modernisation08:37 The Al Nahyan Family Dynamics12:47 The Manchester City Takeover15:39 The Impact and Strategy Behind the Takeover22:41 The Strategic Importance of Qatar and Abu Dhabi23:29 Human Rights Concerns in Abu Dhabi28:52 Worker Rights and Personal Accounts31:38 The Yemeni War and Foreign Policy34:59 Manchester City's Aggressive Strategy36:19 Comparing Strategies: Abu Dhabi vs. Qatar44:23 The Future of Manchester City46:29 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week, hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper explore the complex history behind the Abu Dhabi takeover of Manchester City. The discussion begins with a chilling recount of a 1984 assassination of UAE ambassador Khalifa Ahmad Mubarak, claimed by the Arab Revolutionary Brigades. This incident serves as a critical backdrop for understanding the motivations and geopolitical factors influencing contemporary Middle Eastern involvement in global sports. Jonathan and Rob look into the precarious position of Abu Dhabi, the history of the UAE's formation, and the significant figures like Khaldoon Al Barak and Sheikh Zed, shedding light on why Abu Dhabi has ventured into the world of football ownership and how this has reshaped not just Manchester City but football in general.Join us on Friday for Part Two.00:00 Tragic Assassination in Paris00:54 Introduction to the Podcast01:03 The Abu Dhabi Takeover of Manchester City03:21 Comparing Abramovich and Sheik Mansour04:29 The Shock of the 2008 Takeover05:09 The Initial Skepticism and Rabino Signing07:21 The Role of Solomon Al Faim09:26 The Importance of Kaldoon Al Mubarak15:41 The Aggressive Approach to Regulation22:34 Massacre at Saia and Its Impact24:25 Khaldoon Al Mubarak's Background27:19 Transformation of Abu Dhabi32:23 Discovery of Oil and Its Implications43:19 Formation of the United Arab Emirates44:50 Challenges from Regional Powers45:56 Conclusion and Teaser for Part Two

Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week, Jonathan and Rob look into the tragic and fascinating latter years of Diego Maradona's professional football career during the 1990s. Jonathan and Rob explore Maradona's struggles with cocaine addiction, legal troubles, and numerous attempts to revive his career amidst a national crisis for Argentina's football team. From his return to his parents' hometown to his controversial time at the 1994 World Cup, follow Maradona's tumultuous journey as he battles to maintain his footballing legacy.Please rate, review, and recommend the podcast.00:00 Introduction to Argentina's Turbulent Football History00:33 Diego Maradona's Struggles and Return01:09 Argentina's National Team Crisis01:56 Maradona's Controversial Comeback05:01 Challenges with Argentine Football Culture10:38 Maradona's Legal and Personal Battles16:56 Road to the 1994 World Cup24:41 Maradona's Defense and Consequences26:16 Public Reaction and Media Coverage27:30 Argentinian Utopianism and Football31:12 Maradona's Struggles and Ban36:38 Attempted Comeback and Managerial Stints38:16 Final Matches and Retirement48:22 Legacy and Future Stories