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Interview: Seeking resilient stocks and sectors

UK equities are out of favour with investors globally but Richard Penny, manager of FP CRUX UK Special Situations Fund (GB00BG5Q5X24), argues that this asset class still has a number of merits. He explains why UK equities could offer value and how to find stocks that are not value traps. He also highlights some stocks and sectors that could prove to be resilient, and deliver high returns on capital and growth – despite the challenges ahead.

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  • Takeovers, activists & AI vs the media: The Companies and Markets Show

    23:31
    Mark Robinson leads this week’s discussion, beginning with the chaotic week for takeovers, including all the Anglo-BHP drama and Royal Mail owner International Distribution Services’s (IDS) £3.5bn deal.It then moves on to activist investors, discussing Dave Baxter’s article on their role in investment trusts over the past 12 months and whether or not this is good for shareholders.Jemma Slingo takes the hot seat next with her piece on how artificial intelligence will affect the media. From Bloomsbury Publishings’ chief execs view that it’s like the “wild west” to some analysts suggesting it presents new revenue streams, the rise of AI is dividing opinion.Last but not least, Christopher Akers runs through our result of the week, Pets at Home (PETS), which came through as expected, but a £25mn buyback may give investors reason to wag their tails. Christopher and Mark also touch on the ongoing competition probe and what it means for the industry.Timestamps6:08 Activist investors  12:10 Media sector 17:37 Pets at HomeClaim your first 12 weeks of Investors' Chronicle Print + Digital for just £12. You will get instant access to our website and app, plus the magazine delivered to your door every week. To start your trial, visit investorschronicle.co.uk/podcasttrial*After your 12-week trial you will pay just £56.25 every 13 weeks by direct debit. If you’re not entirely satisfied, you can cancel up to 5 business days before your renewal date and only pay the £12 already debited. This offer is for UK subscribers only.
  • A business on the right side of history: Lee and the IC

    43:45
    In this episode, Alex and Lord Lee are joined by the chief executive of a company that some have aptly called ‘a John Lee stock’. Louis Hall, founder and CEO of the software solutions company Cerillion has plenty of skin in the game, a quality Lord Lee holds in high accord and has led him to successful investments.Listen to the episode to hear the trio discuss the business’s backstory, the benefit of investing in research and development, understanding a complex company as a private investor and much more.Lee and the IC will return later in the summer. Timestamps 1:13 Introduction to Cerillion 6:37 Resource centres 9:51 Experience of public markets 13:27 How John got involved 17:57 Forecasts for the business 20:19 John’s approach to understanding the business22:07 Investing in R&D26:21 Having cash on the balance sheet 29:12 The importance of naming customers 30:32 Where Louis rates his business on 1-1031:58 Concentration of the customer base35:07 Louis’s future with the company37:36 John’s portfolio 40:13 John’s take on the current UK stock market Claim your first 12 weeks of Investors' Chronicle Print + Digital for just £12. You will get instant access to our website and app, plus the magazine delivered to your door every week. To start your trial, visit investorschronicle.co.uk/podcasttrial*After your 12-week trial you will pay just £56.25 every 13 weeks by direct debit. If you’re not entirely satisfied, you can cancel up to 5 business days before your renewal date and only pay the £12 already debited. This offer is for UK subscribers only.
  • Building the ideal portfolio & Experian: The Companies and Markets Show

    38:38
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    43:24
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  • ‘Ignore the oil price – energy stocks are still great value’: Ian Lance of Temple Bar Investment Trust

    26:57
    The latest episode of The IC Interviews features Ian Lance, co-manager of Temple Bar Investment Trust alongside Nick Purves, who together have more than five decades of experience. The duo focus on undervalued UK shares and are adept at avoiding value traps.In this episode, Dave and Ian discuss the possibility of a UK re-rating, the sectors most attracting Ian and Nick’s attention, news from Royal Mail-owner International Distribution Service (IDS), tobacco stocks and much more.This episode was recorded on 17 April.Timestamps00:51 Is there a catalyst for a UK re-rating?2:35 Buybacks 4:54 The sectors catching his eye6:42 Energy and commodity prices8:54 How Lance thinks banks balance the benefits of higher rates versus risk11:11 Why the trust doesn’t have more UK holdings 13:52 The fund's income versus total return outlook15:25 Holdings that don’t pay much out 17:11 International Distribution Service (IDS)19:53 What would make Lance give up hope on a turnaround play23:05 Sectors that are hard to be optimistic about25:04 Other sectors with appeal Claim your first 12 weeks of Investors' Chronicle Print + Digital for just £12. You will get instant access to our website and app, plus the magazine delivered to your door every week.To start your trial, visit investorschronicle.co.uk/podcasttrial*After your 12-week trial you will pay just £56.25 every 13 weeks by direct debit. If you’re not entirely satisfied, you can cancel up to 5 business days before your renewal date and only pay the £12 already debited. This offer is for UK subscribers only.
  • Unilever, Trainline & national champions: The Companies and Markets Show

    32:25
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  • How young investors can learn their trade: Lee and the IC

    45:47
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  • BHP’s bid for Anglo & investors’ biggest mistakes: The Companies and Markets Show

    34:36
    On the day of the announcement mining giant BHP offered a whopping £31bn for Anglo American, Mark Robinson runs us through the thinking behind the deal, the impact South Africa’s upcoming election may have on Anglo’s assets, and whether this is just the beginning of negotiations.Jemma Slingo takes the hot seat to discuss this week’s cover feature, hopefully, a comfort for many listeners: investors’ biggest mistakes. Jemma shares a few examples from fund managers interviewed, what they have learnt from their mistakes, the behavioural science behind them and more. Last but not least, Julian Hofmann discusses the biggest estate agent Property Franchise Group (TPFG) which recently completed a takeover of smaller realtor Belvoir. It’s now the biggest real estate agent in the country in terms of its multitude of locations thanks to its franchise model, but is it a quality business in the cyclical sector?Timestamps1:08 BHP’s big for Anglo American13:56 Investors’ biggest mistakes25:01 Property Franchise GroupClaim your first 12 weeks of Investors' Chronicle Print + Digital for just £12. You will get instant access to our website and app, plus the magazine delivered to your door every week. To start your trial, visit investorschronicle.co.uk/podcasttrial*After your 12-week trial you will pay just £56.25 every 13 weeks by direct debit. If you’re not entirely satisfied, you can cancel up to 5 business days before your renewal date and only pay the £12 already debited. This offer is for UK subscribers only.
  • Fundsmith’s fate, industrial metals, & Asos: The Companies and Markets Show

    35:31
    We begin this week's episode with a rundown of industrial metal price movements. From copper’s boom, Russian sanctions and the price of gold, our commodities correspondent Alex Hamer reveals what investors need to know on all things metal.A change in fate has swept across one of the UK’s most well-known and loved funds: Fundsmith Equity. It has not beaten its benchmark for the past three years, bringing a concerning end to its long run as a high-growth fund. Dave Baxter talks about the shifts in the portfolio over the past decade, analyst criticism, Terry Smith’s response and more of what readers can expect from this week’s cover feature.Last but not least, our senior companies reporter Jennifer Johnson unpacks our result of the week: Asos (ASC). The fast fashion retailer released interim results which show the outlook is still underwhelming. Its plan to reduce unsold merchandise panned out but resulted in falling margins. Is there any hope for the company and those holding it in their portfolio? Associate editor Alex Newman and companies editor Mark Robinson also join the conversation to share their take on the latest market news.1:30 Industrial metals 11:51 Fundsmith equity 22:35 Asos (ASC)