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Companies and Markets show: Wise, small-cap bosses, and investment clubs

On this week's Companies and Markets Show, Arthur Sants examines whether payments app Wise can maintain its impressive growth rates, the team discusses ways to spot the best smaller company bosses, and Dave Baxter explores an increasingly neglected corner of the private investor landscape: share clubs.


Dan Jones hosts Mark Robinson, Julian Hofmann, Arthur Sants and Dave Baxter

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    38:38
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  • How young investors can learn their trade: Lee and the IC

    45:47
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