Share

cover art for A look at the Zong Massacre (With Trevor Burnard)

Insurance Covered

A look at the Zong Massacre (With Trevor Burnard)

Season 2, Ep. 6

Welcome to Insurance Covered! The podcast that looks at the inner workings of the insurance industry with the help of expert guests. Our guest this week is Trevor Burnard and we will be discussing the most notorious insurance coverage case in history, Gregson v Gilbert also known as 'The Zong Massacre'. Trevor is the Wilberforce Professor of Slavery and Emancipation at the University of Hull and the Director of the Wilberforce Institute.

The Zong massacre is a notorious event in insurance history and involved the despicable murder of enslaved people in an attempt to claim back losses in insurance. We start by setting the political scene in the 1780s. The first murder of enslaved people, or captives, on the Zong happened on 29th November 1781. It was only a month after Britain had lost the American Revolution with the battle of Yorktown. French ships were at that stage just moving in towards the Caribbean. It looked like Jamaica was going to get taken over and conquered by the French fleet. At that point, Jamaica which was Britain's most valuable and important colony was in a terrible state. The great majority of Britons were invested in the slave trade and Britain was the greatest slave trading nation in the world.

We then move specifically on to the story of the Zong. The Zong was a ship captured in Ghana and by a British family, the Gregson's who wanted to make a bit of profit from the slave trade, these Liverpool slave traders, used this captured ship to put on a very large number of captives with a very small crew and send them across ideally to Kingston. The ship encountered trouble and found itself off course and running low of supplies.

The crew had three choices that they could have made. The first and the most obvious one was to wait for water to arrive, in other words, rain, and to sail for Montego Bay as quickly as possible or wait for another ship to come by. The second one, which is one you would expect them to do, would be to batten down the hatches so slaves could not escape, accept that slaves would die from dehydration and disease and then when they got to Montego Bay to try and sell as many slaves as they could for whatever price they could get and that's what normally happened on slave ships in this sort of situation. The third one was what they did do which was to decide to throw overboard 54 women and children in order, they claimed later on, to stop an insurrection, a rebellion. They did this on 29th November, they threw over another 42, all men on the 1st December and sometime after 6th December they threw over another 26 captives while 10 Africans threw themselves overboard. This equates to the abhorrent murder of 122 captives.

The Gregson's then put in an insurance claim, citing the action taken to be lawful to prevent insurrection and rebellion, which at the time was a common claim to make. The underwriter however refused to pay out the claim on this matter, its thought that the actions of the Gregson's made him doubt this was a legitimate claim and more of a scheme to maximise profits and make up for their poor voyage. The decision was then taken to the courts to decide, initially the decision went in favour of the slave traders, but on appeal, Lord Mansfield reversed the decision. Two key reasons for this; the manner in which a number of captives which threw themselves off the ship and also the claim that lack of water was the reason for insurrection when in fact there had been heavy rain before, during and after the massacre.   

Despite the case going against the slave traders the story unfortunately has an unsavoury ending, they did not win their claim but the ultimately got away with murder. The Zong was one of the first cases that signaled the changing of attitudes and the kickstart of the abolitionist movement.

We hope you enjoy the podcast! If you did, please subscribe to be notified of future episodes

More episodes

View all episodes

  • 3. A look at silent AI (With Jayne Eade)

    34:22||Season 7, Ep. 3
    Welcome to Insurance Covered, the podcast that covers everything insurance.In this conversation, Peter Mansfield and Jane Eade discuss the emerging threat of Silent AI in the insurance industry. They explore how AI-related exposures are often not explicitly covered in existing policies, leading to ambiguity and potential claims across various classes. Jane emphasizes the need for clarity in policy wordings to address these risks, comparing Silent AI to the previous Silent Cyber issue. The discussion also highlights the importance of defining AI in insurance terms and the necessity of adapting existing policies to accommodate new AI-related risks while maintaining proper oversight and control. In this conversation, Peter Mansfield and Jayne Eade discuss the implications of artificial intelligence (AI) in the insurance industry, particularly focusing on the concept of 'silent AI'—AI systems that operate without clear oversight or understanding. They explore the risks associated with AI, the need for careful policy wording, and the evolving regulatory landscape. The discussion emphasizes the importance of clarity in insurance contracts and the challenges insurers face in adapting to the rapid integration of AI into various sectors.We hope you enjoyed this episode, if you did please subscribe to be notified when new episodes release.
  • 2. The role of the actuary (With Harriet Hughes)

    33:29||Season 6, Ep. 2
    Welcome to Insurance Covered, the podcast that covers everything insurance.In this episode, Peter Mansfield speaks with Harriet Hughes, an actuary with extensive experience in the insurance industry. They delve into the role of actuaries, exploring how they quantify future uncertainties and assess risks across various sectors, including property and legal entities. Harriet shares her journey from studying mathematics to becoming a reserving lead at Liberty Mutual Insurance, emphasizing the importance of actuarial work in predicting the ultimate value of claims and ensuring insurers maintain profitability. The conversation also touches on the challenges actuaries face, such as estimating incurred but not reported claims (IBNR) and the need for expert judgment in a volatile environment.We hope you enjoyed this episode, if you did please subscribe to be notified when new episodes release.
  • 1. How to be a Lloyd's Member (With Belinda Schofield & Kate Tongue)

    36:39||Season 7, Ep. 1
    Welcome to Insurance Covered, the podcast that covers everything insurance.In our first episode of 2026 Peter is joined by two guests, Belinda Schofield, Chief Executive of The Association of Lloyd's Members (ALM) and Kate Tongue, Executive Director at Argenta Private Capital Limited. In this episode they discuss what a Lloyd's member is, what the benefits are and how to become one.We hope you enjoyed this episode, if you did please subscribe to be notified when new episodes release.Argenta Private Capital Limited is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority (No. 204845). Underwriting at Lloyd’s carries significant risk, including potential underwriting losses. Participants remain liable until all syndicate liabilities have been reinsured to close, subject to no reinsurance failure. Past performance does not guarantee future results.
  • 26. Insurance and the art of uncertainty (With Sir David Spiegelhalter)

    47:07||Season 6, Ep. 26
    Welcome to Insurance Covered, the podcast that covers everything insurance.In this conversation, Peter Mansfield and Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter explore the intricate relationship between insurance and uncertainty. They discuss the nature of uncertainty, the role of statistics, and the importance of effective communication in risk assessment. The conversation delves into the types of uncertainty relevant to insurance, the significance of models in decision-making, and the challenges of causation in claims. They also touch on the distinction between risk and uncertainty, the need for trust in expertise, and practical considerations for making decisions in an uncertain world.We hope you enjoyed this episode, if you did please subscribe to be notified when new episodes release.
  • 25. A look at captive insurance (With Caroline Wagstaff)

    30:42||Season 6, Ep. 25
    Welcome to Insurance Covered, the podcast that covers everything insurance.In this conversation, Peter Mansfield and Caroline Wagstaff discuss the concept of captive insurance, its benefits, and the current efforts to establish a captive insurance market in London. Caroline shares insights on the regulatory landscape, the historical context of captives, and the potential for growth in the UK market. They also touch on government support and the importance of creating a competitive environment for captives in London.We hope you enjoyed this episode, if you did please subscribe to be notified when new episodes release.
  • 24. A look at Fine Art & Specie Insurance (With Joshila Sharma)

    36:33||Season 6, Ep. 24
    Welcome to Insurance Covered, the podcast that covers everything insurance.In this episode, Peter Mansfield interviews Joshila Sharma, a specialist in Fine Art and Specie Insurance. They explore the broad definitions of fine art and specie, the unique items covered under these insurance policies, and the intersection with cargo insurance. Joshila shares her experiences in the industry, including the most expensive items she has insured and the challenges posed by natural disasters. She also discusses her motivation for starting Amalthea Underwriting and her passion for marine conservation.We hope you enjoyed this episode, if you did please subscribe to be notified when new episodes release.
  • 23. Life as an insurance CEO (With Mark Wheeler)

    38:09||Season 6, Ep. 23
    Welcome to Insurance Covered, the podcast that covers everything insurance.In this episode, Peter Mansfield interviews Mark Wheeler, co-CEO of Mosaic Insurance, discussing his journey from underwriter to CEO, the challenges and joys of leadership in the insurance industry, and the impact of geopolitical risks and technological advancements like AI and climate change on the sector. Mark emphasises the importance of curiosity, collaboration, and maintaining a strong company culture while navigating the complexities of the insurance landscape.We hope you enjoyed this episode, if you did please subscribe to be notified when new episodes release.
  • 22. Women in insurance (With Sandra Lewin)

    40:26||Season 6, Ep. 22
    Welcome to Insurance Covered, the podcast that covers everything insurance.In this episode, Peter Mansfield interviews Sandra Lewin, Founder of 100 Women in Insurance. They discuss Sandra's journey into the insurance industry, her motivations for advocating for women, and the importance of celebrating female talent. The conversation covers statistics on women in the insurance market, the challenges they face, and the role of men in achieving gender equality. Sandra shares insights on the retention of female talent and the impact of societal structures on women's careers. The episode concludes with advice for both men and women in the industry.We hope you enjoyed this episode, if you did please subscribe to be notified when new episodes release.
  • 21. A look at a Lloyd's Managing Agent (With Lorraine Harfitt)

    36:07||Season 6, Ep. 21
    Welcome to Insurance Covered, the podcast that covers everything insurance.In this episode, Peter Mansfield interviews Lorraine Harfitt, CEO of Asta, to explore the role of Lloyd's Managing Agents. Lorraine shares her journey in the insurance industry, the structure of Lloyd's, and the responsibilities of managing agents. The conversation delves into the differences between managing agents and members agents, the history of managing agents, and the regulatory framework governing them. Lorraine also discusses the future of Asta and the Lloyd's market, highlighting opportunities for young professionals in the insurance sector.We hope you enjoyed this episode, if you did please subscribe to be notified when new episodes release.