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161 - On Play & Innovation with Michael Phillip: Hermes, EvoBio, Bitcoin, and Good Noise

Ep. 161

This week I talk play, innovation, noise, disruption, cryptocurrency, and trickster creativity with Michael Phillip, host of sister podcast Third Eye Drops, which I’m on A LOT – episodes 1028858, 44 with Doug Rushkoff, 38 with Niles Heckman, 28 with Bruce Damer, 21 with Erik Davis, 9 with Shane Mauss, 4 with Erik Davis, and this special mashup episode.  


This one was originally recorded as Third Eye Drops Episode 239, but I went ahead and painstakingly edited out over ten minutes of filler language and head-scratching to give you the sharpest and most-polished conversation possible. If you appreciate these conversations and the extra work I put in to make them shine, please support Future Fossils on Patreon! Patrons gain access to over twenty secret episodes, unreleased music, our book club, and many other great things as they spill out of my overactive imagination. 


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Intro and outro music by Skytree.


Michael Phillip has appeared on Future Fossils before:

Episode 14 on Westworld

Episode 52 on Blockchain with Jennifer Sodini

Episode 67 on Magic & Media with Douglas Rushkoff

Episode 135 on The Cosmic Yes


Related External Sources:


Buy all the books we talk about on this show from my Amazon Storefront.


Lewis Hyde - Trickster Makes This World

Andreas Wagner - Life Finds A Way

Andreas Wagner - Arrival of the Fittest

Richard Dawkins - Climbing Mount Improbable

Richard Doyle - Darwin’s Pharmacy

William Irwin Thompson - The Time Falling Bodies Take To Light


Andreas Wagner at Nautilus - Why It Pays To Play Around

(*I mistakenly said the article was published at Quanta)


William Irwin Thompson et al. - The Lindisfarne Tapes

Adi Livnat - Simplification, Innateness, and the Absorption of Meaning from Context


Phil Ford’s Musicology Lectures on the Weird Studies Patreon


WJT Mitchell - The Work of Art in the Age of Biocybernetic Reproduction

(*I mistakenly said this was “Biomechanical Reproduction”)


Chris Ryan - Tangentially Speaking 69 with Daniel Vitalis


James Nestor - The Future of Breathing at The Long Now Foundation


Evolutionary fitness landscapes visualized by @_baku89 on Twitter


Related Future Fossils/Michael Sources:


MG - Cosmic Perspectives From A Fractal Planet (Burning Man 2013)


MG - Advertisement is Psychedelic Art is Advertisement (2011)


MG - We Will Fight Diseases of Our Networks by Realizing We Are Networks (2020)


MG - “Ride It” music video (2005)


Future Fossils 125 - Stuart Kauffman on Life, Physics, and the Adjacent Possible


Future Fossils 160 - His Dark Materials: Narnia, Fillory, and Coming of Age in the Multiverse, with Stephen Hershey & Kynthia Brunette


Future Fossils 159 - Michael Dowd on Post Doom: Life After Accepting Climate Catastrophe


Complexity Podcast 51 - Cris Moore on Algorithmic Justice & The Physics of Inference


And when you’re ready to switch it up, here are my music and listening recommendations on Spotify.


If you're in a tipping mood:


• Venmo: @futurefossils

PayPal.me/michaelgarfield

• Patreon: patreon.com//michaelgarfield

• BTC: 1At2LQbkQmgDugkchkP6QkDJCvJ5rv3Jm

• ETH: 0xddF0524510d6d802c3e9b0740D48CF893425664D

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