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REDD+ Under Pressure – with Michel Schuurman

Season 2, Ep. 64

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In this episode, Shauna Matkovich speaks with Michel Schuurman, Director of Business Development at TreeVive and Chair of the REDD+ Business Initiative, about the slowdown in corporate demand for avoided deforestation credits and why REDD+ remains the most scalable, cost-effective way to protect tropical forests.


Drawing on two decades in sustainability and climate finance, Michel explains how reputational risks and investment barriers are stalling progress, and why jurisdictional nesting alone won’t move fast enough. He outlines what high-integrity REDD+ looks like — community-driven design, FPIC, shorter MRV cycles, and national alignment — and calls for continued private-sector engagement.


His message: don’t wait for perfection — keep REDD+ in the portfolio, or we lose forests faster than finance flows.


Ask someone as a citizen if they would protect forests, and they’ll say yes. Ask them as a corporate communications officer if they’d invest in a REDD+ project, and they’ll say maybe — or no. That’s the gap we need to close.


Chapters

0:23 Guest introduction – Michel Schuurman, TreeVive & REDD+ Business Initiative

1:26 Michel’s professional journey and path into forest carbon finance

5:15 Major shifts in forest carbon and avoided-deforestation markets

6:25 Role of the private sector vs governments and NGOs in forest protection

8:52 Why carbon remains the key measurable value metric

10:54 Challenges with valuing intact forests and improving REDD+ mechanisms

13:17 Overview of REDD+ Business Initiative report and its aims

17:01 Addressing media criticism and project integrity in REDD+

19:26 What’s improving in methodologies and MRV tools

19:27 Three biggest financing gaps in forest protection

21:17 Corporate reputational risk and reluctance to engage

22:39 Policy and Article 6 uncertainty as a major barrier

24:33 Market slowdown and optimism for renewed momentum

26:15 What defines a high-integrity REDD+ project design

27:12 Community engagement, FPIC and benefit-sharing models

29:34 Technical integrity: baselines, MRV cycles, permanence and leakage

31:53 Investor profiles suited to REDD+ projects

33:00 Why institutional capital hesitates and the funding-size gap

35:49 Why capital isn’t flowing despite low ticket sizes

37:06 State of impact and philanthropic investment in REDD+

38:13 Jurisdictional vs private-project approaches and time lags

40:22 How developers can de-risk and protect their projects

41:02 Emerging insurance and policy-risk products

41:40 Blended-finance tools to mobilize private capital

44:13 Final call to action – keep forest protection in portfolios

45:26 Role of media and balanced reporting

48:00 Closing remarks and where to find the REDD+ Business Initiative report


Founding Director and Host: Shauna Matkovich - The ForestLink

Producer and Editor: Magdalena Laas - Unscripted Creatives


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