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FEATURED EP. 2: 4 THUMBS | CALIFORNIA'S 'GREEN RUSH' TAKES HMONG'S BACK TO THEIR OPIUM-GROWING ROOTS Featured Ep. 2
Welcome 4thumbs to First Smoke today. He is a Hmong Grower with overflowing passion for the plant and people in the business. Before we started recording the podcast he brought us 100 hand made egg rolls from his family. They where amazing and the hospitality and journey is a rollercoaster and history lesson in Culture and personal redemption. Growing up with a very difficult life turned to drugs and gang activity. Trying to get past rebellion and drug use to find cannabis and help save his life and freedom. 4thumbs journey is an inspiration to keep going and chase down your passion relentlessly. This is a journey with many ups and many downs all coming to a breaking point that was a life decision that changed everything. Tune in and buckle up this episode is highly enlightening to the struggles many people go through and trying to find a way to the light. Roll up, this one is a wild ride!
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