<h2>You don’t need another breakthrough. You don’t need another awakening. You don’t need another insight. And you definitely don’t need another method that works for three weeks and then collapses.</h2> What you may need is an integrated operating system. In this episode of Fire and Soul, I sit down with my dear friend and Transformational Leader Pavel Aeon for a grounded, uncompromising conversation about what happens after awakening, when growth outpaces the body, the nervous system, and the life structures meant to hold it. For the first time publicly, Pavel shares System Upgrade, and it is a genuine honor for me to be the place where this conversation is happening. System Upgrade is a monthly live summit with practical protocols and a global community for real transformation, created for high vibe freedom seekers who are ready to stabilize growth and live what they know. This is a yearlong global journey designed to support physical, emotional, mental, relational, and spiritual integration throughout 2026. Not as a promise of transformation, but as a way to stabilize change so growth no longer comes at the cost of burnout, isolation, or collapse. We talk honestly about the four phases of real transformation. Wake up. Clean up. Power up. Rest up. We explore why so many people cycle between expansion and exhaustion, how breath functions as a direct regulatory tool rather than a performance practice, and the quiet grief that often comes with outgrowing relationships, identities, and old ways of living. This conversation is not about becoming more spiritual. It’s about becoming more capable of living what’s already true.If you’ve felt the next chapter approaching and you’re done paying for growth with your nervous system, this episode is for you. YOU’LL LEARN • Why repeated burnout is often a capacity issue rather than a personal failure• The four phases that determine whether transformation stabilizes or destabilizes• How breath supports regulation instead of performance• What happens when awakening outpaces the nervous system• Why relationships often change during periods of expansion• What Earth 2.0 actually means in everyday life• Who System Upgrade is designed for and why now If this conversation resonates, do not rush past that signal. System Upgrade is a yearlong global journey designed to support integration rather than peak experiences. You receive free access to monthly full day livestream summits, guided practices, weekly integration and coherence sessions, and a growing international community focused on sustainable evolution throughout 2026.This is not about becoming someone new. It’s about upgrading the system that has to carry who you already are. Explore From Burnout to Earth 2.0 for free here:👉<a href="https://thesystemupgrade.com/fire" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://thesystemupgrade.com/fire</a> <h3>RESOURCES</h3> <h3>System Upgrade:<a href="https://thesystemupgrade.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://thesystemupgrade.com/fire</a></h3><h3>Michelle Sorro:<a href="https://www.michelle-sorro.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://www.michelle-sorro.com</a></h3><h3>Pavel Aeon on Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/pavel.aeon/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://www.instagram.com/pavel.aeon/</a></h3><h3>Upper Aeon:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/upperaeon/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://www.instagram.com/upperaeon/</a></h3><h3>Pavel Aeon on LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/pavelaeon/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://www.linkedin.com/in/pavelaeon/</a></h3> <ul><li>Explore + Join for FREE Here:<a href="https://thesystemupgrade.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://thesystemupgrade.com/fire</a></li></ul> Thank you for being here and for listening with care. If this episode stirred something, I invite you to explore From Burnout to Earth 2.0 and learn more about Pavel’s System Upgrade journey at the link below for free.&nbsp;👉<a href="https://thesystemupgrade.com/fire" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://thesystemupgrade.com/fire</a> Join at your own pace, take what supports you, and trust your timing. I’m grateful you’re part of this community, and I’ll see you in the next episode of Fire and Soul.

You Don’t Need Another Breakthrough: Stabilizing Awakening, Capacity, and System Upgrade with Pavel Aeon

What if healing isn’t about fixing ourselves but about slowing down enough to feel ourselves again? In this deeply grounding and illuminating episode of Fire and Soul, I sit down with my somatics therapist and mentor, Kate Appleton, whose five decades of experience bridge psychology, art, education, and storytelling. Together we explore what it truly means to live an embodied life — one rooted in sensation, relationship, and soul — and how to meet ourselves and each other beyond performance or productivity. Kate shares her wisdom on why healing doesn’t mean eliminating discomfort but learning how to be with it differently, and how true transformation happens through safety, trust, and connection. You’ll hear personal reflections from my own somatic journey, the science behind how our bodies communicate safety and stress, and how small, practical rituals can reawaken our aliveness. This conversation is for anyone who’s ready to slow down, listen deeply, and return to the sacredness of being human. <h3>In This Episode, You’ll Discover:</h3><h3> </h3>• What somatics truly means and how it brings us home to our “living wholeness”• How to notice the body’s subtle cues and sensations that signal truth and safety• Why leaning back in your chair can rewire your nervous system and deepen connection• How to create healthy boundaries through embodied awareness• The cultural cost of constant consumption and the invitation to return to creation• Simple ways to weave ritual, stillness, and silence into everyday life• How to help the next generation reconnect through values, integrity, and presence• Why slowing down is the most radical act of love and leadership in modern times &nbsp;“When we can feel the edges of our body, we remember where we end and the world begins.” — Kate Appleton <h3>Resources Mentioned:</h3><h3> </h3><ul><li>Learn more about Kate’s work: kate-appleton.com</li><li>Explore Attachment &amp; Somatics Training (next cohort begins February 2026) — use code MICHELLESORRO for $500 off at <a href="https://traumaandsomatics.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://traumaandsomatics.com</a></li><li>Consumer to Creator is now open for registration — join the free live immersion at <a href="http://consumertocreator.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">consumertocreator.com</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Connect with Michelle on Instagram:<a href="https://instagram.com/michelle.sorro" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> @michelle.sorro</a></li></ul>

The Art of Embodied Living: Slowing Down to Remember What It Means to Be Human with Kate Appleton

What if the miracle you think you missed is already orbiting your life, waiting for you to notice it? In this tender and truth-telling episode of Fire and Soul, I sit down with Elizabeth Webb, author of Made for Magic: A Practical Guide from Survival Mode to Soul-Satisfying Joy. Elizabeth is a renowned coach, speaker, and spiritual teacher whose story reminds us that even our deepest heartbreaks can become portals to profound awakening. We talk about the love that shattered her heart open, the book that was born from her healing, and the journey of learning to access magic again after loss. We also explore the initiatory experience of moving to Austin, the messy middle of personal transformation, and what it means to find beauty, humility, and purpose through life’s breakdowns. Our conversation flows into the difference between intuition and trauma responses, how to reclaim your sense of safety and sovereignty, and why most of us are not broken but simply waiting to remember who we are. Elizabeth’s wisdom is raw, refreshing, and rooted in lived experience — this is one of those conversations that will move through your body as much as your mind. If you’ve ever felt late, lost, or afraid that your best days are behind you, this one will remind you that your miracle is right on time. In This Episode, You’ll Discover: • How Elizabeth transformed heartbreak into healing and creative purpose• The origin story of Made for Magic and what it means to live from soul-satisfying joy• The difference between intuition and trauma responses — and how to tell the two apart• How to build safety and self-trust when life doesn’t go as planned• The courage it takes to meet discomfort instead of bypassing it• How to shift from self-blame into radical self-responsibility and freedom• Why feeling misunderstood can actually be your spiritual initiation• The power of finding miracles in the mundane and beauty in the in-between “Healing doesn’t always mean fixing what’s broken. Sometimes it means finding the magic that was never lost.” Resources Mentioned: Order Made for Magic: A Practical Guide from Survival Mode to Soul-Satisfying Joy at <a href="https://positivelyelizabeth.com/book" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">madeformagicbook.com</a> and download the first chapter for freeSubscribe to <a href="https://positivelyelizabeth.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elizabeth’s Love Beams</a> — her luminous letters on joy, intuition, and living awakeConnect with Michelle on Instagram @michelle.sorro

Made for Magic: Turning Heartbreak into Soul-Satisfying Joy with Elizabeth Webb

This episode is unlike anything I’ve ever done on Fire and Soul. For the first time, I’m the guest on my own show, interviewed by someone who has witnessed every iteration of me in the past nine years—the humbling moments, the expansive breakthroughs, and everything in between. Jocelyn and I first met inside my very first mastermind after a Tony Robbins firewalk event, which makes the timing of this conversation feel divinely orchestrated. She’s seen me lead from relentless drive, transform through shadow, and learn to show up from a place of genuine wholeness. Together, we reflect on friendship, growth, and what it really means to keep walking each other home. This conversation goes places I didn’t expect. We talk about: <ul><li>How my leadership has evolved from control to surrender, and why I probably wouldn’t have agreed to this interview five years ago.</li><li>The tender moments in our friendship that deepened our bond, including stories we’ve never shared publicly.</li><li>What it really looks like to give yourself permission to be fully human—the messy, the magical, and everything in between.</li><li>The unexpected ways our friendship has been one of sacred reciprocity, where we’ve both been teachers and students for each other.</li><li>What I’d tell someone walking through their own fire right now (spoiler: it’s not sexy, but it’s the truth).</li></ul> This feels like eavesdropping on a 6 a.m. phone call between soul sisters who’ve walked through heaven and hell together and come out choosing love, presence, and connection again and again. It’s intimate. It’s unscripted. It’s deeply human.And it’s a reminder that awakening isn’t about perfection. It’s about presence. “These are initiatory times, and the fires I truly believe are not here to punish us—they are here to purify us.” <h3>Tune In If...</h3> You’re walking through your own fire right now and need a living example of what it looks like to stay anchored in truth.Or you’re navigating friendship, transformation, or uncertainty and wondering how to keep showing up with your whole heart. This episode is for anyone ready to stop performing and start being present. <h3>Connect with Me</h3> If this episode touched you, I’d love to hear from you. Send me a DM, leave a review on your favorite pod player, or say hi on social media. With love and fire,Michelle (and Jocelyn)

Walking Through Fire: A Best Friend's Perspective on Truth, Transformation, and Awakening

What if your voice was a living prayer, and the Earth herself was listening? Holy, holy. This conversation is one of my all-time favorites. I'm joined by my dear sister Reya Manna, an Earth Song Guide, healer, and founder of the SongKeeper School, whose life is devoted to restoring our sacred relationship with the land and the Divine. From our very first meeting, it felt like an ancient remembering: two women who had walked the same Topanga trails, shared the same love for Jesus beyond dogma, and answered the same call to leave Los Angeles when spirit whispered, it's time. Together, we explore what it really means to wake down into the body, commune with nature as a living teacher, and live as instruments of the holy. Reya shares how listening to the Earth led her to create the SongKeeper School, how this summer's eclipse portal became a profound feminine initiation, and why devotion, song, and ceremony are medicine for these times. You'll hear about:<ul><li>Following the soul's call even when it makes no sense</li><li>Learning to wake down: embodying divinity through the human form</li><li>The voice as sacred medicine and prayer</li><li>Healing through song, Earth-honoring, and feminine initiation</li><li>Living devotion in everyday life</li></ul> We also talk about her brand-new seven-week offering,<a href="http://shiftnetwork.isrefer.com/go/yvrMS/a27603/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> The Journey of the Song Keeper</a>, now open for enrollment: a live, experiential program through The Shift Network that helps you reconnect with your voice as a sacred conduit of the Divine and sing Heaven onto Earth. You can learn more and join through the link above and<a href="http://shiftnetwork.isrefer.com/go/yvrMS/a27603/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> here</a>. We close with Reya’s unreleased song, “My Body Is a Church,” a transmission that will stay with you long after the final note. About Reya: Reya Manna, MDiv, MSW, CPC is an author, ceremonialist, life coach, musician, and activist devoted to helping others find their voice and live in harmony with the Earth. She holds Master's degrees in Social Work and Divinity, and has studied Indigenous culture, music, and esoteric spirituality across West Africa, Ireland, and North America. For over 25 years, Reya has integrated psychology, shamanism, yoga, energy and sound healing, and ancient wisdom traditions into a unique body of work that guides individuals and communities to heal, awaken, and embody their highest potential. She is the founder of the SongKeeper School: a sanctuary for sacred singing, Earth-honoring, and ritual, and the creator of Sing the World Awake!, a global children's project activating consciousness through music and mindfulness. Reya is also the author of The Awakening World: The Return of the Divine Feminine.Connect with Reya: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reya_manna/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@reya_manna</a> •<a href="https://youtube.com/@reyamannamusic" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> YouTube</a> •<a href="https://reyamanna.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> ReyaManna.com</a>

My Voice is a Prayer: A Call to Devotion with Reya Manna

What if awakening isn’t about rising higher but softening into the body and allowing life to hold you? In this solo episode, I open up about what it really means to wake down into myself, to build capacity, stay present with what is, and lead from embodied truth in a season of deep change, endings, and new beginnings. Over the past year, I’ve been walking through profound initiation in my somatic and attachment training, in my relationship with God, in my business, and in my own body through the threshold of menopause. This journey has stripped away illusion and invited me into something far more real: presence over proving, discernment over doing, embodiment over striving. In this episode, I share how God became my business partner, how I’m learning to listen to the living language of my body, and why I’ve chosen to honor my nervous system’s truth even when it means being less visible. I also reflect on the shift from Embody Your Higher Purpose to From Insight to Embodiment and how this new foundation is shaping everything I create and share. Inside this episode, I explore:• Waking down to the body as the true path of ascension• Building capacity instead of chasing courage• How somatics reveals old imprints and restores self-trust• The sacred initiation of menopause and the healing power of homeopathy• Living in a personal Year One within a collective Year Nine• The discernment to share less publicly while expanding inwardly• Why connection with self, Source, Earth, and one another is what truly matters If you feel called to join me in this season of embodiment, I’d love to welcome you inside <a href="https://www.michelle-sorro.com/synergy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Soul Work Synergy,</a> our living community of Gene Keys and somatic practice. And if you’re craving a deeper immersion, we have two final spaces open for <a href="https://www.michelle-sorro.com/soul-essence-retreat-ojai" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Soul Essence,</a> our upcoming retreat in Ojai, California, November 13 to 17. Come home to your body. Let presence be enough. Everything else unfolds from there.

The Threshold of Integration

What if the deepest medicine you’re seeking has been alive within you all along? In this week’s Fire and Soul, I sit down with my dear sister Dr. Cass Naumann—doctor of Chinese medicine, ordained Daoist priestess, musician, and ceremonialist—for a profoundly moving conversation on the sacred alchemy of healing. Cass shares her remarkable journey from musician to healer, and how the initiations of grief, devotion, and spiritual cultivation shaped her path. We explore why ceremony matters so deeply in these times, how our bodies carry the keys to transformation, and what it means to activate our “inner pharmacy” of joy, presence, and connection. This is one of those deeply rich, heart-opening dialogues that feels like a ceremony in itself, and I'm so excited for you to experience it. 🌿 In this episode, you’ll hear us dive into: <ul><li>The moment grief became Cass’s greatest teacher and reoriented her life’s work</li><li>How she bridges Chinese medicine, Daoist priesthood, and ceremonial wisdom</li><li>The questions she asks every patient: What brings you joy? and Do you have a spiritual practice?—and why the answers matter</li><li>Rituals and emotional alchemy practices for transmuting grief, anger, and frustration into virtue</li><li>Why invisibility, Wu Wei (effortless action), and embodied presence are essential medicine right now</li><li>The power of ceremony to bring reverence, belonging, and healing into everyday life</li><li>Cass closes our time with a blessing that will leave you rooted in peace and love</li></ul> 📍 Connect with Dr. CassWebsite:<a href="https://www.doctorcass.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> http://doctorcass.com</a>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/doctor.cass/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@doctor.cass</a> 📚 Additional ResourceIf you feel called to explore the trainings at Trauma and Somatics—the organization Cass and I are currently students of and highly recommend—you can learn more at<a href="https://traumaandsomatics.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> traumaandsomatics.com</a> If you decide to move forward with a training, you’re welcome to use the code MICHELLESORRO for a significant savings. If this conversation nourishes you, share it with a friend and let me know your favorite moment—I love hearing how these dialogues land in your heart.

The Sacred Alchemy of Healing with Dr. Cass Naumann

What if the remedy to navigating our complex legal and financial systems has been hiding in plain sight within the very documents that created them? In this episode of Fire and Soul, I dive into equity jurisprudence with Michael Joseph and Phil Mederi of Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship. This conversation builds on my explorations of spiritual sovereignty and self-governance, offering what may be the missing piece for those who’ve completed status correction — or are just beginning their journey toward lawful living. One of the most important clarifications here is that status correction is not required to walk the equity passageway. Equity is not jurisdictional or exclusive. It’s available to every living man and woman because it rests on one truth: we are the creditors of the system. All that’s required is learning how to express that through our signature and knowledge, compelling performance by the letter of the law. What's amazing, is that you don’t need to do anything first in order to access equity and begin freeing yourself from encumbrances. We explore the core distinctions between “legal” and “lawful,” revealing how equity operates as a private remedy rooted in natural justice. Phil walks us through Black’s Law Dictionary definitions that expose how the legal system distinguishes between substance (lawful/equitable) and form (legal/fictional). We discuss the historical context from 1871 through 1933 that shifted us from gold and silver currency to a debt-based system, and how understanding this history provides pathways to peaceful resolution of public charges and debts. We also cover the four pathways within Sacred Honor’s Foundation for Self Governance: national status passport, trifecta, allodial land, and equity passage. Our focus is equity as a tool for discharge, dissolution of public contracts, and peaceful inquiry — all designed to help individuals be “left alone” in the private while navigating public affairs with honor and integrity. About today’s guests:<ul><li>Michael Joseph is the host of the Libertishorizon.com Podcast, executive producer &amp; host of Liberty’s Horizon Events, and founding director of Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship. A staunch advocate for self-governance, Michael educates on the invisible contracts that bind us to a commercial corporate fiction and shares remedies that empower people to bridge out of the Babylonian system or administer their affairs within it with more power and awareness.</li><li>Phil Mederi is a student and teacher of Equity Jurisprudence and serves as Equity Director at Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship. With the conscious awakening accelerating worldwide, Phil is committed to helping bring law into balance with God and natural principles through Equity.</li></ul> This is essential listening for anyone walking the path of spiritual sovereignty and seeking practical, lawful ways to reclaim their natural rights.<a href="https://www.sacredhonoref.com/?a_aid=120" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Fellowship Link Here</a> 👉 Inside the Fellowship, you’re invited to explore the complimentary ebook Equity Unveiled and watch the edumentary Breaking the Spell. Tap the link below to begin. And if you feel called to join the Equity Passageway, use the code provided for $250 off when you enroll by September 30, 2025. <a href="https://www.sacredhonoref.com/?a_aid=120" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fellowship Link Here</a> Let's be free together!

Equity: The Key to Self-Governance and Lawful Living with Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship

When life shatters, can love still lead? In this tender, truth-telling conversation, my guest Vickie Menendez — a mother who’s lost four children — shows us how grief can become a doorway to radiant, embodied living. In this episode of Fire and Soul, I welcome inspirational speaker, Soul Midwife, and author Vickie Menendez to explore what it really means to live again after unimaginable loss. Vickie shares the sacred threads of her story — from the passing of her children and father to the soul contracts, somatic healing, and spiritual devotion that carried her back to life. You’ll hear practical ways to be with grief in the body, create a “beautiful goodbye” visualization, and rebuild nervous-system capacity so presence and connection become possible again. This is a conversation for anyone standing in the in-between: tender, reverent, and full of quiet courage. I also share a glimpse of Soul Work Synergy, my newest monthly live community where we explore one Gene Key at a time through somatic practice and spiritual devotion. It’s a living rhythm of insight, integration, and spiritual embodiment that I can’t wait to invite you into. We cover: <ul><li>Grief as initiation: moving from survival to soulful rebirth</li></ul> <ul><li>Soul contracts and continuing bonds beyond the veil</li></ul> <ul><li>Somatic tools that actually help (breathwork, vagal toning, MAP, Yin)</li></ul> <ul><li>How stored emotion becomes pain — and how to unwind it</li></ul> <ul><li>The “Beautiful Goodbye” practice to reframe final memories</li></ul> <ul><li>Parenting, partnership, and community in seasons of loss</li></ul> <ul><li>Finding the gold in a painful origin story (music, frequency, and safety)</li></ul> Resources &amp; links: Vickie Menendez — site &amp; offerings: [<a href="http://vickiemenendez.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">vickiemenendez.com</a>] Book: Crystal’s Butterfly Effect (includes letters + mandalas) Event — The Chrysalis Journey: A Virtual Gathering for Grief, Grace, and Learning to Live Again (Oct 4, 2025; virtual + Miami): Register here:&nbsp;<a href="https://vickiemenendez.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://vickiemenendez.com/</a> Soul Work Synergy — my brand new monthly live-guided journey (3 weeks on, 1 week off) weaving Gene Keys, somatic wisdom, and spiritual devotion starts 9/15:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.michelle-sorro.com/synergy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.michelle-sorro.com/synergy</a> Gentle note: This episode discusses child loss, addiction, and end-of-life experiences. Please care for your nervous system as you listen. Timestamps (approx.): 00:00 Opening + why Synergy was born 05:30 Vickie’s story and the first loss 15:40 Addiction, shame, and the art that told the truth 24:50 Soul contracts and ongoing connection 33:10 Hospital as sacred space; the “Beautiful Goodbye” 47:20 Somatic healing that works (breath, vagal toning, MAP) 58:00 The Chrysalis Journey event invitation + closing blessings

From Unimaginable Loss to Radiant Living with Vickie Menendez

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