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28. fangirl history & fan studies (w/allegra rosenberg)
Professional fangirl and writer Allegra Rosenberg joins Amanda & Amber for an academic conversation where they truly intellectualize fandom. They talk Tumblr, the origins of shipping/fanfic/fan vidding, finding fandom community, media vs. band fandom, and the book Allegra is currently writing on fandom history in the last 200 years FANDOM FOREVER (AND EVER).
Follow Allegra: @llegrarosenberg
Follow Allegra’s book research insta: @fandompast
HOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller)
PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus content
FOLLOW: @fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTube
LINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for our short film, live shows, news, + more
SHOUTOUTS
Allegra’s episode of Fansplaining: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0vQzckcmr0g8gkKW5g1xgh?si=5rTzhmi-RzuG77orMp_uyA
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 intro
02:02 how Amanda and Allegra met
03:29 Allegra’s fandom origins
06:44 Neil Gaiman song
09:12 Doctor Who
12:42 fangirl shame & Rookie Magazine chat
14:53 aesthetic vs fandom tumblr
18:11 Good Omens fangirl revival
18:54 Allegra’s Good Omens fanfics
20:49: origin of shipping
23:43 X-Files & 90s fandom
24:27 lurking vs community in fandom
26:47 fan community before the internet
29:09 marginalized outgroups & fandom
30:48 media consumption
36:25 The Terror & fan friend recommendations
38:57 fandom is play & euphoric
41:43 fandom is for everyone!
43:02 are Bravo watchers a fandom?
46:05 surface level vs intense fandom
49:28 Homestuck as unique, gender diverse fandom
51:04 in person vs internet communities
ALLEGRA’S BOOK!
53:48 fandom through an academic lens
57:28 fanboys vs fangirls thru history
59:28 what counts as fandom? F1 chat
1:04:00 sports fandom is inherently social
1:06:00 trying to watch Classic Who
1:09:00 keeping up w/global fandom
1:10:00 fan vidding, zines, RPF (Real Person Fiction) in history
1:12:00 self-insert 1D fanfiction, RPF vs celeb culture
1:16:00 Omegaverse created by RPF shippers
1:20:00 crossover, fusion, self-insert / AU fanfics chat
1:22:00 media vs band fandom.
1:27:00 “cool” vs “nerd” fandoms
1:33:00 When did Allegra decide she wanted to write this book?
1:37:00 historically white vs black fandom
1:39:00 “silencing the audience” & mania
1:44:00 elevated fan status in fandom
1:46:00 fan influencers
1:48:00 sharing space IRL
1:51:00 Allegra watched Sherlock live
1:53:00 outro + shoutouts
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01:23:58|IT’S MY SCENE, MY SCENE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? Amanda and Amber talk My Scene: the main girls, the fashion, the vibes, the boys. They rank the movies (Jammin in Jamaica, Masquerade Madness, and My Scene Goes Hollywood), rank the iconic music, guess their signs, and discuss how it all relates to Blackness and girlhood in the early 2000s.Our BARBIE EPISODE: https://youtu.be/HCAFhwRNRWshttps://shows.acast.com/fangirlcentral/episodes/26-barbie Or in Madison’s case, a hair pick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvAPXxv5i28&t=326s Full episodes on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEs2Bly4Ph6eSiOZraEkclBsmgWbFKfhd HOSTS: Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller LISTEN: https://shows.acast.com/fangirlcentral PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for meeting Teen Wolf video, meeting Sebastian Stan video, Amber meeting Tom Holland vlogFOLLOW: http://instagram.com/fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for live shows, news, + moreWEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET ONE DIRECTION (short film): https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 TIMESTAMPS00:00 intro + barbie recap4:30 My Scene background7:24 Madison & race11:16 My Scene vibes (vs. Barbie)13:55 THE GUYS (+Twilight)16:03 JAMMIN IN JAMAICA25:52 THE MUSIC: Leslie Mills’ & Urban Desire29:27 My Scene Cinematic Universe31:35 THE DOLLS/FASHION35:22 MASQUERADE MADNESS40:10 MY SCENE GOES HOLLYWOOD50:01 RANKING THE MOVIES54:39 THE DATING/RACE (again)1:02:22 RANKING THE SONGS1:11:18 guessing their signs1:14:47 THE GIRLS1:15:45 concluding thoughts vs. Bratz vs. Barbie43. CHEETAH GIRLS (w/sequoia holmes)
01:45:55|Amanda and Amber are joined by host of Black People Love Paramore Podcast Sequoia Holmes to talk all things CHEETAH GIRLS! We talk Raven-Symoné raising a generation of Black fangirls, female friendship & empowerment, assign the girls’ big 3 astrology charts, and then rank the songs and movies. Also discussed: Disney Channel, Kenny Ortega, and potential Cheetah Girls spinoffs.Sequoia’s RADIO DISNEY PARTY in Los Angeles Saturday 10/19: link.dice.fm/A4c602703353Follow Sequoia: http://instagram.com/sequoiabholmesFollow Black People Love Paramore podcast: http://instagram.com/bplppodOur High School Musical episode of BPLP: https://tr.ee/kL2GQSUaPf https://youtu.be/YicYo_3wGYs?si=JYd_vv4XBTyUtgVqHOSTS: Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller LISTEN: https://shows.acast.com/fangirlcentral PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for meeting Teen Wolf video, meeting Sebastian Stan video, Amber meeting Tom Holland vlogFOLLOW: http://instagram.com/fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for live shows, news, + moreWEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET ONE DIRECTION (short film): https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 TIMESTAMPS00:00 Cheetah Girls birthed us6:50 our childhood reactions9:58 diversity & blackness14:35 GALLERIA: right or wrong? Raven Baxter?20:08 their astrology charts25:28 female friendships27:40 Raven-Symoné32:41 prequels, sequels, & series35:38 black fangirls36:58 That’s So Raven & Disney Channel47:12 fangirl sisterhood49:26 RANKING THE SONGS53:30 CHEETAH SISTERS: affirmations & sisterhood1:00:10 STRUT: overexposed?1:02:38 CINDERELLA: self-worth & Hannah Montana1:07:30 GIRL POWER (& Global Getdown)1:11:08 Disney Channel crossovers (& Zac Efron)1:16:17 STEP UP1:18:33 honorable mentions1:19:52 RANKING THE MOVIES (& our fav teen movies)1:39:01 AAVE & digital blackface1:44:38 outro42. MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE BRACKET (w/amanda & amber)
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02:02:09|FROM THE FANGIRL VAULT: Continuing our summer series, it's our (first) AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER EPISODE!Originally released February 23, 2024.Ahead of watching its latest live action adaptation, Amanda and Amber attempt to cover the entirety of their shared favorite show, the greatest show of all time: AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER. Is Aang nonbinary? Can the sisters get through a season without sobbing? Is Zuko the hottest animated character ever? Yes. They tackle spirituality, which characters they ship, imperialism, and do an episode-by-episode speedrun… with a big announcement at the end.HOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: @fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for our short film, live shows, news, + moreSHOUTOUTSAmber’s senior quote: “Destiny is a funny thing. You never know how things are going to work out. But if you keep an open mind and open heart, I promise you will find your own destiny someday.” -Uncle IrohWholala: A Queer Doctor Who Podcast: https://linktr.ee/wholala-TIMESTAMPS00:00 intro2:37 season one & understanding war thru aang10:36 our ATLA origin story15:55 when we sobbed18:19 avatar fangirls19:13 azula & her downfall22:24 the elements & fire nation imperialism26:46 sokka’s necklace27:12 sokka’s obsessed with men30:53 deleting sokka’s sexism33:13 unhelpful sexism that they actually should delete36:11 is aang nonbinary?38:30 theorizing queerness in TV44:40 ATLA extended universe46:13 SHIPPING (anti-kataang & zutara; pro-sokka/suki)50:00 ZUKO = HOT53:12 zuko’s bald ponytail & aang’s hair55:04 would katara’s holy water work on zuko?57:45 ZUKO = HOT (tempered)1:01:23 fire nation losers1:03:32 [TW: genocide] dangers of fascism & colonialism1:10:19 the doctor & the avatar1:11:02 the chosen one trope1:15:50 the avatar & the firelord1:19:35 obsessed with the OG gaang1:21:51 AVATAR ROKU1:23:27 amanda sobs about the avatar1:25:05 ozai and iroh’s childhood1:25:30 ATLA’s spirituality & depth1:29:21 fantasy/sci-fi/animation disrespect & fandom vs. art1:32:59 too much to discuss1:35:15 live action questions1:36:54 sokka/katara sibling dynamic1:37:55 the gang don’t always win1:38:38 we always have the original show1:39:24 ATLA rewatch podcast announcement?!1:40:51 CHAOS EPISODE-BY-EPISODE SPEED RUN1:54:36 character appreciation1:56:22 flying bison reproduction1:57:24 QUOTES CRINGE-OFF1:59:37 outroFANGIRL VAULT: 12. spider-man. (w/amanda & amber)
51:40|FROM THE FANGIRL VAULT: Continuing our summer series, it's our SPIDER-MAN episode!Originally released June 2, 2023.It is Amber's birthday. It is the release date of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. So of course we had to speak on one of Amber's top fandoms: Spider-Man. Amber's obsession with the Spider-Man suit, Tobey v. Andrew v. Tom, Peter Parker as a character, Miles Morales... and Amber finally reads The Letter. (P.S. It is also a day after Tom Holland's birthday.)To watch Amber's Spider-Man Homecoming Premiere vlog from 2017 where she meets Tom Holland, become a Fangirl Central PATRON! https://www.patreon.com/fangirlcentralHOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: @fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for our short film, live shows, news, + more41. COMIC-CON pt. 2 (w/amanda & amber)
01:15:55|PART TWO of the COMIC-CON episode! Amanda & Amber discuss being fangirls in a nerd environment, their chaotic first Comic-Con in 2013, meeting the Teen Wolf cast, their SDCC experiences over the years, Invader Con, and a chaotic fan experience they had with Netflix's ATLA. PART ONE: why they wanted to go to San Diego Comic-Con, Tumblr fandoms, Amanda’s Marvel Cinematic Universe’s origin story ONE DIRECTION part 1 & 2: the first half of our Summer Series!PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for meeting Teen Wolf video, meeting Sebastian Stan video, Amber meeting Tom Holland vlogHOSTS: Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller LISTEN: https://shows.acast.com/fangirlcentral FOLLOW: http://instagram.com/fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for live shows, news, + moreWEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET ONE DIRECTION (short film): https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 TIMESTAMPS00:00 IRL fandom7:55 prepping for our first comic-con13:08 fangirls in a nerd environment17:30 Ballroom 2020:44 the reality of seeing actors on panels24:55 teen wolf panel28:07 teen wolf meet and greet37:12 teen wolf aftermath39:00 camping out for marvel in Hall H45:19 other panels (DC, ATLA, miraculous etc)50:42 invader con drama54:29 more antics at SDCC (tom hiddleston, new girl)1:03:42 ATLA FYC event1:14:30 outroFANGIRL VAULT: 5. DISNEY CHANNEL (w/amanda & amber)
37:47|FROM THE FANGIRL VAULT: We're on Black People Love Paramore Podcast talking HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL this week, so we've decided to re-release one of our very first eps: DISNEY CHANNEL!Originally released March 31, 2023.Our BPLP episodeApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id1560947474?i=1000664007043&at=1000lSDbSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4zDbws6lgfXmTz5h6PTs3a?si=A0YHDbdpQpeEcgu2HRkSuQYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YicYo_3wGYsAmanda and Amber are talking all things Disney Channel: wanting to be Hannah Montana (they're from Tennessee), Raven-Symoné's legacy, & the complexities behind how Disney Channel both empowered & disheartened them. Being a black fangirl is COMPLICATED Y'ALL. More info about their original musical revue DISNEY VORTEX in Los Angeles: https://fangirl-central.com/disney-vortexHOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: @fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for our short film, live shows, news, + moreWEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET ONE DIRECTION (short film): https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4