Fangirl Central

Amanda & Amber are joined by friends and performers Hayden Johnson & Jordan Jones to discuss SUPERSTARDOM: what makes a star, our favorite media that depicts the road to stardom, making yourself smaller for fake friends, and the dehumanization of being put on a pedestal while being black & excellent. Also discussed: Zendaya, The Greatest Showman, Camp Rock, and Cheetah Girls <3(note: this was recorded pre-Challengers came out, which is why we don’t discuss it at all, girl)Follow Hayden: http://instagram.com/_hayden_johnsonhttp://tiktok.com/@hhhaydenn Follow Jordan: https://soundcloud.com/sirxn http://instagram.com/sirxnofgod HOSTS: Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller LISTEN: https://shows.acast.com/fangirlcentral PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: http://instagram.com/fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for live shows, news, + moreWEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET ONE DIRECTION (short film): https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 TIMESTAMPS00:00 intro (bible parables, tim & moby, just dance)9:43 superstardom (greatest showman)17:28 zendaya’s career29:08 gaining confidence & not caring what others think34:50 being read as intimidating while black38:51 fame, being put on pedestal, and making yourself smaller in friendships51:43 greatest showman cont.55:44 deadpool, wolverine, & andrew garfield57:57 wooping & hollering at the movies (love lies bleeding, madame web, m3gan, black panther)1:01:08 SING1:07:48 camp rock/mileydemiselena1:18:33 cheetah girls

BONUS EP this week so Amanda & Amber can talk about CHALLENGERS for an hour: Zendaya, bisexuality, the throuple, Zendaya, black girl magic/the superwoman effect vs. white boy privilege, the beauty of cinema, and Zendaya.(1st 10 minutes-ish is intro and then we get into Challengers for the rest of the ep!)HOSTS: Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller LISTEN: https://shows.acast.com/fangirlcentral PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: http://instagram.com/fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for live shows, news, + moreWEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET ONE DIRECTION (short film): https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 

It’s the beginning of the AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER rewatch series! Amanda & Amber discuss spoiler culture, the ATLA live action, & some TikTok controversy before they get into The Boy in the Iceberg & The Avatar Returns from the original ATLA: genius Gaang character setup, crying over intertwined destinies, Zukka headcanons, meeting Jack DeSena & Dante Basco… this episode has everything.Join our Patreon to listen to the rest of the Avatar Fangirls Rewatch episodes! http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral HOSTS: Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller LISTEN: https://shows.acast.com/fangirlcentral PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: http://instagram.com/fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for live shows, news, + moreWEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET ONE DIRECTION (short film): https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 TIMESTAMPS 00:00 intro + february rewatches5:22 spoilers + doctor who9:08 ATLA live action thoughts10:23 addressing the controversy15:25 live action cont.22:00 fire nation idiocy23:00 ATLA EP 1 & 2 REWATCH48:50 we start to weep54:44 ATLA rewatch on Patreon

Amanda & Amber are joined by friends Caitlan Moore & Sunny Zimmerman to talk fanfiction, exploring gender & sexuality through fictional characters, & reality TV… all subjects related to LBJ The Play, directed by Caitlan & written/starring Sunny as President Lyndon B. Johnson. SEE LBJ THE PLAY in the NETFLIX IS A JOKE FESTIVAL May 3rd @ 7pm @ Dynasty Typewriter! TICKETS: https://bit.ly/3W427GWLBJ: http://instagram.com/lbjtheplay Sunny: http://instagram.com/zimmer_down_ http://tiktok.com/@zimmer_down_ Caitlan: http://instagram.com/caitlan_deniro HOSTS: Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller LISTEN: https://shows.acast.com/fangirlcentral PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: http://instagram.com/fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for live shows, news, + moreWEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET 1D: https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 LBJ CAST:Katie Davis as the teacher: http://instagram.com/katield Soraya Perry as Lady Bird/Jackie/LBJ’s mom: http://instagram.com/sorayaperry Albert Muzquiz as JFK/LBJ’s dad: http://instagram.com/edgyalbert TIMESTAMPS 00:00 intro + LBJ The Play in 2 weeks!6:33 Hamilton and fanfiction8:40 projecting onto fictional characters10:46 My Immortal & Mary Sue fanfiction17:50 Degrassi, Glee, & Life With Derek22:22 gender & attraction & fanfic (via Glee & NBC’s Chuck)34:51 headcanons in Star Wars & Dune42:52 reality TV: Real Housewives, Jersey Shore, Selling Sunset58:51 Love IslandLBJ The Play1:06:20 LBJ The Play & Sunny’s gender exploration1:11:13 Caitlan’s vision for LBJ1:12:42 what is the “right thing”?1:15:49 Love is Blind1:22:44 outro

Amanda and Amber are joined by friend, comedian, and actor Zay Dante to talk movies, musicals, and movie musicals. Also discussed: Madame Web, Austin Butler, theater kids, anti-cringe, & our society’s discomfort with earnestness.Follow Zay: http://tiktok.com/@zayydante http://instagram.com/zaydanteHOSTS: Amanda Layne Miller http://instagram.com/amandalaynemiller Amber Miller http://instagram.com/amberlmiller LISTEN: https://shows.acast.com/fangirlcentral PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: http://instagram.com/fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for live shows, news, + moreWEBSITE: https://fangirl-central.com THE DAY I DIDN'T MEET ONE DIRECTION (short film): https://youtu.be/BsWOOxD29r4 SHOUTOUTSShepherd Moon - short film by Maria Smal: http://instagram.com/shepherdmoonfilm TIMESTAMPS 00:00 intro + awards chatter4:20 twitter critics11:50 oscars snubs & the academy16:22 The Slap & Moonlight You Guys Won20:18 Dear Evan Hansen26:50 movie musicals (adaptations, ATLA)30:27 Chicago32:57 Mean Girls scared of musicals36:23 Wonka38:07 childhood white boys (Oppenheimer, Austin Butler, Robert Pattinson)42:28 Twilight44:35 Madame Web47:06 musical theater48:43 Kenny Ortega & music videos52:30 shooting dance scenes (GMA, live action Disney movies)56:05 overexposed/overly hated celebrities59:00 Fifth Harmony1:00:18 Lin-Manuel Miranda1:02:53 theater kids, anti-cringe, & discomfort w/ earnestness1:08:13 social media1:12:24 zay’s tiktok process (phineas & ferb)1:21:21 renee rapp (fandom jokes out of respect, Southern attitude)1:27:08 AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER1:29:49 zay’s theater career1:32:22 more ATLA (zuko)1:36:57 outro

Amanda & Amber are joined by their friend, writer and comedian Danika Lyle, to talk all about THE MUPPETS as comedians, cultural commentators, real celebrities, and true artists. Also discussed: trying to impress fanboys, YouTube sketch groups, and making art just to hang out.Follow Danika on instagram: @danika.lyleHOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: @fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for our short film, live shows, news, + moreSHOUTOUTSBlack Clowns to follow: Camirin Farmer (@camirinfarmer)Kristin Wallace (@verygenuine)Puppeteer/Artist: Esty Bharier (@estycreates)Freak Nature Puppets: https://www.freaknaturepuppets.com/ Bob Baker Marionettes (Los Angeles): https://www.bobbakermarionettetheater.com/ TIMESTAMPS (skip to 5:06 if you don’t want to hear a random piercing/tattoo discussion)00:00 piercings and tattoos5:06 dani’s muppets tattoo8:27 raven is a clown9:20 clowning is human puppets14:13 MUPPETS ARE PUPPETS15:20 muppets are celebrities18:10 sketch group and movie stars19:43 parodying show business20:30 muppets are for adults and sometimes problematic22:50 muppets make the industry better26:58 muppets lore29:31 what movie should the muppets remake?34:38 MUPPETS WIZARD OF OZ38:24 not enough money?!39:42 the music of the muppets42:10 cultural commentary & audience POV44:11 physical comedy46:15 dani’s ultimate nerd girl history48:48 active obsession vs. escapism53:04 LATE AS HELL intro54:08 humans and muppets55:36 romantasy novels57:02 fangirls pursuing entertainment just to hangout1:05:19 fanboys vs. tumblr gays vs. pinterest1:13:24 making stuff with your friends1:20:55 dani IS a muppet1:21:40 outro

Professional fangirl and writer Allegra Rosenberg joins Amanda & Amber for an academic conversation where they truly intellectualize fandom. They talk Tumblr, the origins of shipping/fanfic/fan vidding, finding fandom community, media vs. band fandom, and the book Allegra is currently writing on fandom history in the last 200 years FANDOM FOREVER (AND EVER).Follow Allegra: @llegrarosenbergFollow Allegra’s book research insta: @fandompastHOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: @fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for our short film, live shows, news, + moreSHOUTOUTSAllegra’s episode of Fansplaining: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0vQzckcmr0g8gkKW5g1xgh?si=5rTzhmi-RzuG77orMp_uyATIMESTAMPS00:00 intro02:02 how Amanda and Allegra met03:29 Allegra’s fandom origins06:44 Neil Gaiman song09:12 Doctor Who12:42 fangirl shame & Rookie Magazine chat14:53 aesthetic vs fandom tumblr18:11 Good Omens fangirl revival18:54 Allegra’s Good Omens fanfics20:49: origin of shipping23:43 X-Files & 90s fandom24:27 lurking vs community in fandom26:47 fan community before the internet29:09 marginalized outgroups & fandom30:48 media consumption36:25 The Terror & fan friend recommendations 38:57 fandom is play & euphoric41:43 fandom is for everyone!43:02 are Bravo watchers a fandom?46:05 surface level vs intense fandom49:28 Homestuck as unique, gender diverse fandom51:04 in person vs internet communitiesALLEGRA’S BOOK!53:48 fandom through an academic lens57:28 fanboys vs fangirls thru history59:28 what counts as fandom? F1 chat1:04:00 sports fandom is inherently social1:06:00 trying to watch Classic Who1:09:00 keeping up w/global fandom1:10:00 fan vidding, zines, RPF (Real Person Fiction) in history1:12:00 self-insert 1D fanfiction, RPF vs celeb culture1:16:00 Omegaverse created by RPF shippers1:20:00 crossover, fusion, self-insert / AU fanfics chat1:22:00 media vs band fandom. 1:27:00 “cool” vs “nerd” fandoms1:33:00 When did Allegra decide she wanted to write this book?1:37:00 historically white vs black fandom1:39:00 “silencing the audience” & mania1:44:00 elevated fan status in fandom1:46:00 fan influencers1:48:00 sharing space IRL1:51:00 Allegra watched Sherlock live 1:53:00 outro + shoutouts

Ahead of watching its latest live action adaptation, Amanda and Amber attempt to cover the entirety of their shared favorite show, the greatest show of all time: AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER. Is Aang nonbinary? Can the sisters get through a season without sobbing? Is Zuko the hottest animated character ever? Yes. They tackle spirituality, which characters they ship, imperialism, and do an episode-by-episode speedrun… with a big announcement at the end.HOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: @fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for our short film, live shows, news, + moreSHOUTOUTSAmber’s senior quote: “Destiny is a funny thing. You never know how things are going to work out. But if you keep an open mind and open heart, I promise you will find your own destiny someday.” -Uncle IrohWholala: A Queer Doctor Who Podcast: https://linktr.ee/wholala-TIMESTAMPS00:00 intro2:37 season one & understanding war thru aang10:36 our ATLA origin story15:55 when we sobbed18:19 avatar fangirls19:13 azula & her downfall22:24 the elements & fire nation imperialism26:46 sokka’s necklace27:12 sokka’s obsessed with men30:53 deleting sokka’s sexism33:13 unhelpful sexism that they actually should delete36:11 is aang nonbinary?38:30 theorizing queerness in TV44:40 ATLA extended universe46:13 SHIPPING (anti-kataang & zutara; pro-sokka/suki)50:00 ZUKO = HOT53:12 zuko’s bald ponytail & aang’s hair55:04 would katara’s holy water work on zuko?57:45 ZUKO = HOT (tempered)1:01:23 fire nation losers1:03:32 [TW: genocide] dangers of fascism & colonialism1:10:19 the doctor & the avatar1:11:02 the chosen one trope1:15:50 the avatar & the firelord1:19:35 obsessed with the OG gaang1:21:51 AVATAR ROKU1:23:27 amanda sobs about the avatar1:25:05 ozai and iroh’s childhood1:25:30 ATLA’s spirituality & depth1:29:21 fantasy/sci-fi/animation disrespect & fandom vs. art1:32:59 too much to discuss1:35:15 live action questions1:36:54 sokka/katara sibling dynamic1:37:55 the gang don’t always win1:38:38 we always have the original show1:39:24 ATLA rewatch podcast announcement?!1:40:51 CHAOS EPISODE-BY-EPISODE SPEED RUN1:54:36 character appreciation1:56:22 flying bison reproduction1:57:24 QUOTES CRINGE-OFF1:59:37 outro

BARBIE EPISODE! Amanda and Amber rewatched the unhinged Barbie animated movies they grew up watching (Princess and the Pauper, Rapunzel, etc.) and analyzed how Barbie movies idealize white femininity, and how the Barbie THEY know differentiates from BARBIE (2023).if you haven’t seen any of the Barbie animated movies here’s a brief recap to get the vibes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifIb4MR_c_k HOSTS: Amanda (@amandalaynemiller) + Amber Miller (@amberlmiller) PATREON: http://patreon.com/fangirlcentral for bonus contentFOLLOW: @fangirl.central on Instagram, TikTok, + YouTubeLINKTREE: http://linktr.ee/fangirlcentral for our short film, live shows, news, + more-TIMESTAMPS00:00 intro0:33 we rewatched every Barbie Animated movie. (kinda)6:35 Barbie (2023) vs. Barbie the ActressBARBIE (2023) DISCUSSION10:35 Barbie (2023) vs. the Barbie we grew up with14:39 triggered by mediocre white girls16:09 She’s everything. He’s just Ken.18:28 gender binary memes and jokes21:38 idolizing people is dehumanizingBARBIE ANIMATED MOVIES22:03 we grew up with a useless white, blonde, pretty Barbie27:13 CHECKLIST: what makes a Barbie movie?28:59 THAT IS NOT KEN33:05 talking pet animals are colonial?36:36 extremely famous villainsMOVIE BY MOVIE38:13 NUTCRACKERblack bg characters, fantasy logic, dumbass Nutcracker, be blonde and shut up and be pretty49:17 RAPUNZEL50:53 Barbie acting51:51 SWAN LAKEdisturbing child elves, Odile is an icon, Rothbar’s nose, etc.57:39 PRINCESS AND THE PAUPER“Cat’s Meow” makes us sob, creepy ass otter from Rapunzel, blondes vs. brunettes, classism, musicals1:03:30 FAIRYTOPIA/MERMAIDIA/MAGIC OF THE RAINBOWLaverna’s motivation, Elina doesn’t do anything, justice for BIBBLE, POOR PLOT, dumb characters1:10:10 MAGIC OF PEGASUSvengeful Barbie & weird ass baby polar bear1:11:38 12 DANCING PRINCESSES1:12:15 BARBIE DIARIESEvery 2000s movie, Barbie doing too much/an asshole, “Kev” not Ken was a creep, passivity and mediocre whiteness & Lizzie Mcguire, gay Bibble erasure1:16:42 ISLAND PRINCESSthe best one, all Barbies should be musicals, best villains: Ariana and Preminger, romanticizing colonialism, comparison with Princess and the Pauper1:27:27 Barbie is so heteronormative it’s gayCONCLUSIONS1:30:19 concluding Princess and the Pauper thoughts1:33:05 My Scene/Bratz & the impossibility of Barbie