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#25 Tim Drysdale from UoE Scotland on Non-traditional practical work
Welcome back to the fourth episode of this fourth season of the SEFI podcast!
In this first episode we talk to Professor Tim Drysdale, Chair of Technology Enhanced Science Education in the School of Engineering at the University of Edinburgh. Tim is responsible for developing an entirely new approach to online laboratories to support non-traditional online practical work activities across multiple campuses.
Join Dr. Natalie Wint (University College London) and Dr. Neil Cooke (University of Birmingham) to learn about nontraditional practical work.
shownotes:
Timestamps
0.00 Welcome and introduction to episode
0.27 Podcast Intro
0.47 Experiences in non-traditional practical work from Natalie and Neil
2.17 Tim's Background
4.28 Engineering at Edinburgh
5.43 Technology as not replacing humans: a post critical humanist approaches and less instrumentalist approaches to practical work
10.22 Different types of non-traditional practical work
13.00 The benefits of non-traditional practical work
15.04 How to select the best approach to take based on our aims and learning outcomes
18.23 Student engagement and limitations
22.10 The user experience
26.35 Use of dangerous and specialist equipment
27.39 The user interface
31.07 Challenges to implementation
33.24 Maturity of non-traditional practical work
38.16 The role of AI
40.42 Getting buy-in: evaluation of non-traditional practical work to produce an evidence base
45.13 Final advice from Tim
47.02 Key takeaways from Natalie and Neil
Further Reading
The following provides a link to work in which Tim describes different types of NTPL
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23752696.2020.1816845
The following provides a link to work whereby Tim makes use of a post-humanist lens.
For more information about student (user) experience you can refer to the following pieces of work
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03064190221081451
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10399863
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