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10: Cali White - Creating Experiential Spaces

Season 1, Ep. 10

Twenty years ago, Cali White left a corporate career and followed a calling to the healing path. Initially training in psychotherapy, she spent many years immersing herself in the world of psychological and spiritual development and was privileged to find teachers that opened her up to Native American wisdom through Vision Questing, Sweat Lodges, and Shamanic Healing, and then more deeply into rites of passage work through the Women in Power organisation. 


From November 2018 she undertook a 13 Moon menopause Pilgrimage around the UK and Ireland to deepen into her indigenous ancestry. Guided by the Ancients, she gathered women every full moon to hold ceremony for those persecuted as witches during the Burning Times and to help heal the inherited trauma wounds of separation that we still carry today. This led to the 2022 I AM WITCH exhibition in Lancaster, out of which The Witches' Revival was born, a now annual healing event in Lancaster, UK, designed to support the healing of the feminine through the reclamation of the Witch Archetype.

 

Cali lives in an old Beatrix Potter cottage on a hillside in the Lake District where she continues to learn through tending the land and by following her menopausal impulse to "create"!

 

www.thewitcheshouse.org

www.loveisourpower.com


We talked about:

  • Living with intention
  • Menopause as portal and rebirth
  • Collective wound and collective healing
  • Ancestral healing
  • The feeling of emerging from the trauma veil
  • Medicine spoons – and how a synchronistic discovery led to her next body of work
  • Creativity as healing and the magic that happens when we share our process
  • Creating experiential spaces
  • The feminine way as collaborative
  • The Witches Revival event
  • Archetypes: witch, creatrix, wise woman archetype, The Cailleach, Hekate, Baba Yaga
  • Evolving our relationship with big and small d death
  • Ways of knowing

 

Resources mentioned

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Reclaim Your Creative Magic ecourse

ALisa Starkweather

Women in Power

My book Creatrix: she who makes

Stephen Jenkinson - Orphan Wisdom

Sharon Blackie – If Women Rose Rooted, Hagitude

Outside the Box – Liz Rothschild

Kicking the Bucket


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