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43: Sophie Messager - The Beat of Your Own Drum
Sophie Messager bridges worlds that rarely meet. A former reproductive physiologist with a PhD, she traded her microscope for a medicine drum after experiencing the transformative power of an empowered birth. Her decade-long journey as a doula, birth educator, and author of Why Postnatal Recovery Matters deepened her exploration of the rhythms surrounding women's transitions.
Now a holistic life transition mentor, Sophie guides women through significant life thresholds—from birth to perimenopause and beyond. Her unique combination of scientific expertise and spiritual insight allows her to serve as a compassionate space holder for those seeking to harmonise their analytical and intuitive selves.
Her new book The Beat of Your Own Drum: the history, science and contemporary use of drumming as a path for women’s wisdom, health and transformation is published by Womancraft Publishing and available everywhere now.
Her podcast The Wisdom Messenger
We talked about:
Drumming as nervous system regulation
Drumming and birth
Bridging the intellectual and spiritual worlds
Wearing many hats
Intuitive drum and intuitive dance
Women’s life transitions
Reclaiming childhood joys
Neurodivergence and regulation
How we have lost regulation in contemporary patriarchal society.
For a deeper dive, join us for the Extended Episode – just $3/ month, exclusively on www.patreon.com/lucyhpearce - where we discuss
Schuman Resonance
Microdosing – drumming and psylocibin.
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Jane Hardwicke Collings
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48. 48: Pam Grossman - A Bridge Between Realms
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44. 44: Lisbeth Cheever-Gessaman – From Great Darkness Great Light is Born
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